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The History of Literature

772 Thucydides and The History of the Peloponnesian War (with Polly Low and Robin Waterfield) | My Last Book with James West

The History of Literature

Jacke Wilson

Arts, History, Books

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

The Ancient Greek historian and general Thucydides (c. 460-400 BCE) called his history of a war between Athens and Sparta "a possession for all time." More than 2,400 years later, his work is still essential reading for anyone interested in the morality of war and the nature of political power. In this episode, Jacke talks to Robin Waterfield and historian Polly Low about Thucydides' achievement and Robin's new translation of The History of the Peloponnesian War. PLUS James West, editor of The Cambridge Centennial Edition of The Great Gatsby, stops by to discuss his choice for the last book he will ever read. Join Jacke on a trip through literary England! Join Jacke and fellow literature fans on an eight-day journey through literary England in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠John Shors Travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ in May 2026! Scheduled stops include The Charles Dickens Museum, Dr. Johnson's house, Jane Austen's Bath, Tolkien's Oxford, Shakespeare's Globe Theater, and more. Learn more by emailing ⁠jackewilsonauthor@gmail.com⁠ or ⁠masahiko@johnshorstravel.com⁠, or by contacting us through our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠historyofliterature.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Act soon - there are limited spots available! The music in this episode is by Gabriel Ruiz-Bernal. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠gabrielruizbernal.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Help support the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/literature⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠historyofliterature.com/donate⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. The History of Literature Podcast is a member of Lit Hub Radio and the Podglomerate Network. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thepodglomerate.com/historyofliterature⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The History of Literature Podcast is a member of the Podglomerate Network and Lit Hub Radio.

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0:39.5

Hello, more than 2,000 years ago, an author living in Greece wrote a book,

0:44.5

A Possession for All Time, he said, a grandiose statement to make.

0:49.6

But since the book is still with us, I think you'd have to say he's been more right than wrong.

0:55.5

The reason why Thucydides' classic work, the history of the Peloponnesian War, is still with us,

1:02.3

is in large part due to the historical approach embedded in that statement.

1:07.7

Thucydides wasn't writing to persuade a handful of close friends and decision-makers.

1:13.0

He wasn't settling scores.

1:15.0

He wasn't passing along entertaining myths and legends.

1:18.5

He was writing as best he could a sweeping narrative of a war between Athens and Sparta

1:24.3

that pulled in Greek states from across the region.

1:28.6

The account of what happened and reflections on what it meant from a military, political,

1:33.6

and moral perspective is still a gripping reed, even if the after-effects of that particular

1:39.8

conflict have been rubbed away like grooves in the sand as the lapping waves take their toll over time.

1:48.7

The book has survived longer than the war, and we turn to it again and again as new generations of

1:55.9

thinkers and strategists seek to understand today's challenges from civil war to widespread plague to the

2:03.7

nature of political power. On our show today, we will talk to a translator of an exciting new

2:10.7

translation of the history of the Peloponnesian War and to the woman who wrote the introduction

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