Hello internet Mike and Andy here, World Box Headquarters, Bray of California.

We are on a roll, my brothers and sisters, we are on a roll.

You cannot stop us now.

And more interviews. So we're going to interview today a

guy who worked in the faith-based office, the faith office, a neighborhood development office for President Obama.

He was basically the he represented faith outreach for the White House.

You didn't read the book yet so you cannot speak authoritatively. I have read the book.

And he, anyway, he's got a book out called Reclaiming Hope,

and he heard him on another podcast and went,

oh, this guy, this guy's going to give a really interesting perspective that it's kind of fishing around the same ponds of what we've been talking about with Jesus and politics.

And so read the book earlier this week and just sat down and had a great, great interview with him.

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Are we are we full we at by this time we're going to be full okay yeah so you can check with this in in a waiting list and whatever

else we're just continually shocked that people come and people are excited to come and so yeah, we love it.

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So anyway, we're going to introduce you to Michael Ware.

He has written a book called Reclaiming Hope,

and we have a great 40 minute conversation with him beginning now.

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