No? Yes, live?

Yes? Live?

All right, we're live.

Hey, what's up man?

How are you?

I'm here with Tovar Sir really.

He's got his pen and his notebook out like he's about to take notes.

Author of the mindful carnivore. Boy you went an unusual path man and this is one of the reasons why I really

wanted to talk to you. I've read some of your stuff and I've seen some

interviews with you online. Obviously a very intelligent, very thoughtful guy.

You started out a vegan and became a hunter. Boy, that's a tricky path. And it had to be fraught with peril. Right? I mean, how much

grief did you take for that, first of all?

You know, not as much as I kind of anticipated.

Really?

Well, it's because you live in Vermont.

They could be part of it, you know.

They can't get you up there.

Well, it's a funny blend of cultures there.

I mean, I didn't become vegetarian until I was like 20.

So I spent basically 20 to 30 as vegetarian, mostly vegan that whole time. And so then in my early 30s I made this kind of bizarre

transition into being a hunter. And I wondered how friends not so much family because I had one uncle who was a hunter and was well respected

Welcome back son, but you know, but friends you know I wondered. Yeah, you know, what was that going to be like and

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