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Coaching for Leaders

763: Leading with Poise When the Stakes are High, with Eileen Collins

Coaching for Leaders

Dave Stachowiak

Education, Business, Management, Self-improvement, Careers

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 15 December 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Eileen Collins: Through the Glass Ceiling to the Stars

Colonel Eileen M. Collins, USAF (retired), earned a place in history as the first American woman to pilot, and later to command, a space mission. She flew on the space shuttle four times, twice as commander – including the 2005 “return to flight” mission after the tragic Columbia accident. She is the subject of the documentary movie Spacewoman and author of the book Through the Glass Ceiling to the Stars: The Story of the First American Woman to Command a Space Mission (Amazon, Bookshop)*.

We all have times in our careers where all eyes are on us. In this conversation, Eileen and I explore the critical moments of her career and how she stayed grounded while soaring among the stars.

Key Points

  • Until we are tested, we don’t know what we are capable of.
  • Nerves creep in at times for all of us. When they do, it’s helpful to think about representing your role instead of representing yourself.
  • When decisions become difficult, always come back to, “What’s the mission?”
  • Train for the skill, not for the task.
  • During high-stakes times, remember your family and personal life. They will help you stay grounded.

Resources Mentioned

  • Through the Glass Ceiling to the Stars: The Story of the First American Woman to Command a Space Mission by Eileen Collins (Amazon, Bookshop)*
  • Spacewoman documentary, featuring Eileen Collins

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Transcript

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0:00.0

We all have times in our careers when all eyes are on us.

0:04.6

My guest today knows that reality better than anyone.

0:08.0

On this episode, Eileen Collins, the first woman to command a U.S. space mission, on leading with poise when the stakes are high.

0:16.1

This is Coaching for Leaders, Episode 7663.

0:20.5

Produced by Innovate Learning, maximizing human potential.

0:29.0

Greetings to you from Orange County, California.

0:32.2

This is Coaching for Leaders, and I'm your host, Dave Stahoviac.

0:36.9

Leaders aren't born. They're made. And this weekly

0:40.2

show helps you discover leadership wisdom through insightful conversations. One of the realities

0:46.5

for almost every leader is being able to keep poised, to perform, and to do our best when the

0:53.9

stakes are high. Every single one of

0:56.2

us navigate that at some point in our careers. And if you're like today's guest, at many

1:01.7

points in your career. Today's guest is an example of someone who has done this so beautifully

1:07.7

in so many different situations. I'm so pleased to introduce Colonel

1:11.7

Eileen Collins. She earned a place in history as the first American woman to pilot and

1:17.2

later command a space mission. She flew on the space shuttle four times, twice as commander,

1:22.7

including the 2005 return-to-flight mission after the tragic Columbia accident.

1:28.3

She is the subject of the documentary movie Space Woman and author of the book,

1:33.1

Through the Glass Sealing to the Stars, the story of the first American woman to command a space

1:38.9

mission.

1:39.8

Eileen, welcome to the show.

1:41.5

Well, hello, Dave, and thanks for having me on with you today to kind of share my story with you.

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