Hello friends welcome back to another episode of theology in the raw my guest today is the one and only David Kinnaman David Kinnaman is the president of the Barna group and if you've been a Christian in America for more than

two months you probably heard of barna barna is the premier organization that does a ton of data collection and synthesis on Christianity and culture,

faith and culture, Christianity and America and tons of other things.

And David has become a really good friend over the years.

He wrote the forward to my book, Go.

My book Go is the least read the present sprinkle book that most people don't even know exists. It's also one of my favorite books.

It's kind of like my manifesto on what church can and should be. I think the title is actually Lane now that I think about it. Maybe that's part of the problem. Anyway, I worked a lot with David in that project on looking at the state of discipleship in the

church. David and I also go back as we'll hear in the podcast we met on a hunting

trip with a few other Christian leaders up in Montana and I have just so there's just I don't know there's so many things I can say about David that I just absolutely love he's

gracious he's incredibly thoughtful, he's a very fun hang. He likes good bourbon and he's a terrible hunter hunter so we have a lot in common.

But I did so what I love it here's what I love about David.

The main thing I love about David when I get together with him is I have a lot of kind of intuition and experiences and

anecdotal evidence for this belief or that belief or you know I mean I just kind of

have hunches about this or that what I love about David is I get to cross check these

anecdotal experiences or thoughts or convoluted ideas about church or whatever, and I get to go to David and say all right David give me the data give me what the

comprehensive data says am I way off or am I way on or somewhere between so I

love love talking with David Kinnaman. He's the

author of a new a brand new book called Faith for Exiles. Now David has been

authoring several he's authored several books that kind of go together.

You've probably read unchristian that David Kinnaman and Gabe Lyons wrote a while back.

It was a best-selling book.

He's also written, you lost me and there

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