We often feel the guilt and responsibility for meeting the needs of unhealthy people.

We try to make them happy, but when we try we end up frustrated and poisoned by their toxic behavior.

It's a hard dilemma though isn't it?

Because when you walk with Jesus, how do you know when it's okay to walk away from a toxic person?

Well today author Gary Thomas will give us some very practical encouragement and

biblical wisdom to help us know when and how to say no to bad patterns so we can say yes to the good that God has planned for us.

This is a sizzling hot conversation and you're going to get so much from it. So Casey let's get it going.

Welcome to the 413 podcast where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up to live

the I can life because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you. Now your host a woman who

doesn't need therapy, she just like myself we just need coffee and more of it

where's our coffee IV drip? Would you please

make welcome my sweet sister Jennifer Rothschild? Hey we are so glad you're with

us today.

Our day gets better when you show up.

I'm Jennifer, and my goal is to help you be and do

more than you even feel capable of

by living the I-Can of Philippians 413, trusting

Jesus completely to be all the strength that you need so that you can do all that he calls

you to do. And I will say this I do need

coffee but I got to admit I do think I need therapy too on some days in fact Casey

years ago I think Phil and I had been married maybe seven years, and we were stuck.

Okay, like stuck. And we went for marriage counseling, and I loved our therapist his name was Larry and

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