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People I (Mostly) Admire

73. Turning Work into Play

People I (Mostly) Admire

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2022

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

How psychologist Dan Gilbert went from high school dropout to Harvard professor, found the secret of joy, and inspired Steve Levitt's divorce.

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0:00.0

My guest today, Dan Gilbert, is a Harvard psychologist, author of the blockbuster bestseller

0:09.2

Stumbling on Happiness, and co-writer and host of the PBS television series This Emotional

0:15.0

Life.

0:16.0

I do suspect that many, many people would be much happier if they did less better.

0:25.6

Welcome to people I mostly admire, with Steve Levitt.

0:32.0

Dan Gilbert and I have followed remarkably similar career paths.

0:36.0

We both had lots of early success in academics leading to a bestselling popular book which opened

0:40.8

up all sorts of opportunities, and once we had a taste of these non-academic activities,

0:46.5

traditional academics no longer seem so inspiring.

0:49.8

But we're also different in one notable way.

0:53.0

Dan is one of the most irrepressibly positive, enthusiastic, and jovial people you will

0:58.7

ever meet and me, who you know me, I'm just me.

1:08.8

So at the end of last year, we put together a podcast episode that captured the highlights

1:14.2

and the lowlights of the podcast in 2021.

1:18.2

And as part of that, I had to pick the single best idea that I had heard from a guest

1:23.3

in the entire year, and I suspect that it will surprise you, especially since you weren't

1:28.5

even a guest on the show in 2021, that it's one of your ideas that won the prize.

1:34.2

Well, I'm absolutely delighted that other people are talking about my ideas and saving

1:39.4

me the trouble of doing it.

1:41.7

The idea is what you call the end of history illusion, and our friend, economist Sendo

1:47.0

Molinaten, described it.

1:49.1

So could you explain that idea to listeners from the mouth of the creator?

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