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Hello, welcome to RESTISPolitics with me, Rory Stewart.

And me, Aleister Campbell, very pleased that Rory's got his voice back.

Thank you very much. So, Aleister, before we start, I know we discussed Matt Hancock going on, I'm a celebrity last week.

But I believe there's something you elected not to tell our readers about a certain offer that you had.

Well, it's not that I neglected to reveal it, it's I completely forgot until my daughter Grace did a very funny Instagram post, in which she reminded me, and indeed informed her followers,

that she and I had been asked to go on as a father, daughter couple.

And the reason they've been trying to get me on every year, and I've said no every year, and I think they've realised that Grace manages to get me around her little finger on most things.

So, she's always invited her, but on condition that I went, maybe that would persuade me, and much to her, Shagra, it did not.

Do you think there's something changing about it? I mean, obviously, Anthony Eden, or Clement Atley, would not have gone on, I'm a celebrity.

But do you think the world is changing in which people are getting a bit more relaxed?

The natural Ed Bulls went on strictly come dancing, didn't he?

He did, but it was after he left doing the thing about Matt Hancock.

No, I wouldn't do strictly either, I just think these programs, I think they're slightly, I think they take you to a place that you can't come back from.

I could be wrong. I mean, the Dean Dorries went on it and ended up in the cabinet, but only because Boris Johnson was the prime minister.

I mean, even though Atley would never have considered such a person.

No, I think this is definitely changed. I think this fusion of entertainment and politics.

I can remember, I think I told you this before, I can remember having a really strong argument with Tessa Jowell, we were staying at her place once, down in Oxfordshire.

And we were more anxious, sorry, and we were watching one of these programs.

It was, it was X Factor, I think.

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