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The Peter Attia Drive

#72 - Dan Harris: 10% happier – meditation, kindness, and compassion

The Peter Attia Drive

Peter Attia, MD

Fitness, Medicine, Health & Fitness

4.39K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2019

⏱️ 145 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Dan Harris, correspondent for ABC News and co-founder of the Ten Percent Happier meditation app, speaks openly about his struggles with self-centeredness, addiction, depression, emotional volatility, and the deep-rooted insecurities that drove him to career success. He tells the story of how a panic attack on live TV lead him down a path of self-discovery culminating in a meditation practice which has since transformed his life—in terms of his own personal suffering, his relationships with those closest to him, and his ability to be kind and compassionate (which has its own selfish advantages). Dan also shares some very practical advice and tips for new meditators, dispels some of the myths around meditation, and gives people some things to look forward to as they progress with their practice. Last but not least, we talk about the importance of not passing shame and trauma to our kids and the role that mindfulness and meditation plays in that.

  • Dan's meditation book, and the panic attack on live TV that started it all [8:00];
  • Addiction: the spectrum of addiction, the socially acceptable forms, and Dan's own battle with addiction and depression [13:30];
  • Dan's drive for self-protection, a defining moment of childhood, and how his upbringing shaped him [20:30];
  • A selfish reason to be kind and compassionate [28:30];
  • Using mindfulness to avoid being controlled by your emotions such as anger and grandiosity [36:15];
  • How Dan found meditation, and how he went from skeptic to someone willing to try it [40:45];
  • Advice for new meditators, misconceptions about meditation, and the difference between changes in state vs. changes in trait [48:00];
  • Difference between being "mindful" versus being "present" [55:00];
  • The overlap between psychology and Buddhism, who is the real Buddha, and a Buddhism 101 lesson [57:45];
  • What convinced Dan to finally try meditation, and how did his first session go? [1:05:30];
  • Lessons from Dan's 10-day silent retreat: "You're trying too hard" [1:12:30];
  • How Dan's meditation has evolved over 10 years of practice [1:27:30];
  • Dan's 360 Review: A painful process illuminating his selfishness, and putting him on a path to more kindness and compassion [1:30:45];
  • How to quiet mental suffering in tough times, and how meditation has helped (and not helped) Dan get through some of the hardest moments of his life [1:41:30];
  • How Dan's practice has made him a better husband [1:47:45];
  • How to prevent the transference of trauma and shame to your kids [1:50:45];
  • Does past trauma drive successful people? Can a person be successful professionally if they give up that negative insecurity that is driving them? [1:56:00];
  • The pillars of emotional health, and how to help yourself when you feel insecure [2:08:30];
  • Why it's important to let your kids see that you are a flawed human [2:11:30];
  • Learning from the incredible (but flawed) Peter Jennings [2:15:15];
  • When is Dan's next book coming out? [2:21:15]; and
  • More.

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, welcome to the Peter Atia Drive. I'm your host, Peter Atia.

0:10.0

The drive is a result of my hunger for optimizing performance, health, longevity, critical thinking,

0:15.7

along with a few other obsessions along the way. I've spent the last several years working

0:19.6

with some of the most successful top performing individuals in the world, and this podcast

0:23.8

is my attempt to synthesize what I've learned along the way to help you live a higher quality

0:28.3

more fulfilling life. If you enjoy this podcast, you can find more information on today's

0:32.5

episode and other topics at peteratiamd.com.

0:41.6

Hey everybody, welcome to this week's episode of The Drive. I'd like to take a couple of

0:45.4

minutes to talk about why we don't run ads on this podcast. If you're listening to this,

0:49.4

you probably already know, but the two things I care most about, professionally, are how to live

0:54.6

longer and how to live better. I have a complete fascination and obsession with this topic. I practice

1:00.6

it professionally, and I've seen firsthand how access to information is basically all people need

1:05.9

to make better decisions and improve the quality of their lives. Curating and sharing this knowledge

1:11.1

is not easy, and even before starting the podcast, that became clear to me. The sheer volume of material

1:16.5

published in this space is overwhelming. I'm fortunate to have a great team that helps me continue

1:21.8

learning and sharing this information with you. To take one example, our show notes are in a

1:27.0

league of their own. In fact, we now have a full-time person that is dedicated to producing those,

1:31.8

and their feedback has mirrored this. So all of this raises a natural question. How will we continue

1:38.0

to fund the work necessary to support this? As you probably know, the tried and true way to do this

1:43.5

is to sell ads, but after a lot of contemplation, that model just doesn't feel right to me for a few

1:49.8

reasons. Now, the first and most important of these is trust. I'm not sure how you could trust me

1:55.5

if I'm telling you about something when you know I'm being paid by the company that makes it

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