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Coaching for Leaders

702: Moving Past Transactional and Towards Relational, with Jonathan Raymond

Coaching for Leaders

Dave Stachowiak

Education, Business, Management, Self-improvement, Careers

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 7 October 2024

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Jonathan Raymond: Good Authority
Jonathan Raymond is the founder of Refound and Ren AI. He helps leaders make work a better place, one conversation at a time. He’s the author of the book Good Authority: How to Become the Leader Your Team Is Waiting for and hosts the podcast of the same name. He's also the creator of The Accountability Dial, used by many in our community to support healthy accountability in their organizations.

With all the tools and technology we have access to, it’s so easy to fall in the trap of mostly being transactional. Yet, leadership is at its best when it elevates above the transaction and builds the broader relationship. In this conversation, Jonathan and I discuss how to make that shift.
Key Points

While the pandemic helped us shift in some helpful ways, it also created an environment where leaders don’t always feel safe with healthy accountability.
The most healthy conversations have consequences if change does not happen.
The primary obstacle to holding people accountable is fear. Leaders will find times when then not able to defend themselves.
Having access to too much detail is a recipe for micromanagement. The best feedback moves away from transitional and towards relational.
Find places of retreat to spend unstructured, non-transactional time.
Don’t let the perfect get in the way of the good. Hold people accountable for the qualities of leadership, not the outcomes.

Resources Mentioned

Ren AI: a platform of AI-powered tools built on the Good Authority methodology
Good Authority: How to Become the Leader Your Team Is Waiting For* by Jonathan Raymond

Related Episodes

Five Steps to Hold People Accountable, with Jonathan Raymond (episode 306)
How to Give Feedback, with Russ Laraway (episode 583)
How to Connect with People Better, with Charles Duhigg (episode 670)

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Transcript

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0:00.0

With all the tools and technology we have access to, it's so easy to fall into the trap of mostly being transactional.

0:09.0

But leadership is at its best when it elevates above the transaction and builds the broader relationship.

0:17.2

In this episode, Jonathan Raymond returns to show us how to make that shift.

0:23.0

This is coaching for leaders, episode 7002.

0:27.0

Produced by Innovate Learning, Maximizing human potential.

0:39.0

Greetings to you from Orange County, California. This is coaching for leaders and I'm your host Dave Stahoviac. Leaders aren't born, they're made.

0:46.7

And this weekly show helps you discover leadership wisdom through insightful conversations.

0:52.6

One conversation that I've been having for many years now is one with Jonathan Raymond.

0:57.4

Many of you have heard his voice on the podcast many times over the years and his wonderful work with the accountability dial.

1:04.7

Today a bit of a reflection on 10 years of the accountability dial and more importantly what's next

1:11.1

for us in how we lead, how we think about leadership, but probably more so

1:16.6

than even how we think about it, how we feel about it, and what it means for the heart that

1:21.0

so many of us bring to how we lead. I'm so glad to welcome back to the show

1:24.5

Jonathan Raymond. He is the founder of Refound and Wren AI. He helps leaders make work a better

1:31.2

place one conversation at a time. He's the author of the book Good Authority

1:35.6

how to become the leader your team is waiting for and hosts the podcast of the same

1:40.1

name. He's also the creator of the accountability dial used by so many in our

1:44.3

community to support healthy accountability in their organizations.

1:48.0

Jonathan, it is always a pleasure to have you on. Welcome back.

1:51.0

Hey Dave, great to be back on the show.

1:54.0

Ten years ago, you and I had a first converse, I think it was almost 10 years ago now, on episode

1:59.8

306 about the accountability dial and the five steps. So many people have utilized it over the years.

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