Hello everyone and welcome to Saturn Returns with me Kaggi Dunlop. This is a

podcast that aims to bring clarity during transitional times where there can be

confusion and doubt. Today I'm joined by someone who I've been following for a while. I'm a huge

fan of his work. So I was very pleased when he agreed to come on to the show and he had just arrived off the plane from Ireland and that is

the wonderful Pat DeVilly. I've been listening to Pat's podcast and reading into

his work I think it's so, so important what he's doing.

In this conversation, we discuss a lot of stuff. We unpack his journey to where he is now, his struggles with school and bullying, and kind of

this idea that no matter where we get to or how the world perceives us in our adult self,

there's always a part of us that feels like that

little child, that sort of vulnerability and whatever pain or experiences or wounding we have

from that childhood experience.

We carry with us and how those wounds play out in our lives.

I think simply having the awareness over this sort of thing is the first step and being able to have these

conversations and allow people to recognize that it's very human and it's very normal and the work required to heal from it isn't easy but

I applaud any of you who are going through it and I think simply by listening to this

podcast shows that you are willing and ready to go there. We delve into

nervous system work which is something that I have been working on, you know, personally, for a while as well, and I think it's such an important key ingredient that kind of ties this whole thing together.

Pat is also a big fan of Internal Family Systems systems therapy which we've had a number of

podcasts about but the way he explains it is hugely informative and another thing

that I wasn't expecting to talk about but I'm so glad that we did was male

archetypes.

When I was researching Pat's work, I came across it and it really fascinated me because to be honest,

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