Welcome to the show, everybody.

It is Tuesday, July 29th, 2025.

You know, if you had MAGA civil war over Jelaine Maxwell on your 2025 bingo card.

You win a lifetime supply of bleach or something.

I don't know what to tell you because it is not something I had on my bingo card.

And Donald Trump is now, for the time being, refusing to rule out a pardon for Jolene Maxwell. We'll get to that later. She's the convicted

sex trafficker who helped Jeffrey Epstein abuse his victims. That Jelaine Maxwell, when Trump was

asked about pardoning her, he simply said, I'm allowed to do it, which is not a denial that he's planning to do it.

We're going to get back to that a little bit later.

But this is causing a real problem for Trump right now.

And the blowback is starting to come from within MAGA, even a guy with MAGA in his name,

MAGA Mike Johnson, the current Republican Speaker of the House, he is saying not only would she not really

be correctly released from prison, she should be in prison for life, not the 20 years that

she was sentenced to.

Life in prison would be the appropriate punishment for Gilae Maxwell.

So this is not a vague distancing distancing this continues to be the sort of

bubbling of the maga civil war that we are seeing over this issue and i'll be completely frank

i would not have predicted that this was going to be what rips maga apart so let's go to maga

mike johnson on msnbc where he was asked about this, and here's what

he had to say. If you're asking my opinion, I think 20 years was a pittance. I think she should

have a life sentence at least. I mean, think of all these unspeakable crimes. And as you noted earlier,

probably a thousand victims. I mean, you know, this, this is, it's hard to put into words how

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