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All right, you guys, on the line, I've got Aaron Matei, and he is from the gray zone,

and also from Real Clear Investigations, and his own site on Substack, is Aaron Matte, just

spelled like mate, Aaron mattee.net.

Did I finally learn how to say your name right, dude?

Yeah, hey, I mean, anyway, it's fine with me, Scott.

Well, you're very patient and kind, and you must be very used to it being mispronounced.

But I thought, you know what, I should try to listen closely to how he says it and see if I compare it that would make sense.

Mate, right?

You know, I actually say matte, to be honest with you, but... Mattet.

I really don't care.

It's...

I don't care less than someone says it.

So it is Matt, but it's more, more emphasis on the first sort of part of it, though. Yeah. Yeah. Mattie. Aaron Matting. Hey, man. Good to talk to you. How are you? I'm good, Scott. It's always good to talk to you. Yeah, cool. Thank you for joining us. Man, thank you so much for being so good on Rushagate. You know, I'm really good on it, but a big part of the reason why is because I read a bunch of stuff that you wrote about it over all those years debunking it.

And I, of course, have a massive treatment on the subject in Provoked.

But now we've got new news.

And you have been doing a good job covering it.

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