#688: Building a Customer Brain and how it benefits customers and the business with Christian Nelissen, National Australia Bank

The Agile Brand with Greg Kihlstrom

The Agile Brand

Business, Marketing

5 • 2.7K Ratings

🗓️ 11 June 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Agility at enterprise scale means building systems that not only make millions of micro-decisions, but also keep humans at the center — creating experiences that are timely, relevant, and respectful of the customer.What if your data knew your customers better than your frontline employees — and used that insight to serve, not sell? Today we are here at PegaWorld 2025 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, and we’re going to talk about how National Australia Bank has built what they call a "Customer Brain" — a centralized, intelligent decisioning layer that unifies engagement across service, sales, and relationship-building at scale.To help me explore this, I’d like to welcome Christian Nelissen, Chief Data and Analytics Officer at NAB. RESOURCES National Australia Bank: https://www.nab.com/au https://www.nab.com/au The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://www.teksystems.com/versionnextnow Catch the future of e-commerce at eTail Boston, August 11-14, 2025. Register now: https://bit.ly/etailboston and use code PARTNER20 for 20% off for retailers and brandsOnline Scrum Master Summit is happening June 17-19. This 3-day virtual event is open for registration. Visit www.osms25.com and get a 25% discount off Premium All-Access Passes with the code osms25agilebrandDon't Miss MAICON 2025, October 14-16 in Cleveland - the event bringing together the brights minds and leading voices in AI. Use Code AGILE150 for $150 off registration. Go here to register: https://bit.ly/agile150Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://www.theagilebrand.showCheck out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company

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0:00.0	What if your customer experience and culture strategy didn't just create value but actually funded your growth?
0:05.5	I'm inviting you to join me in a powerful mastermind group.
0:08.5	I'm co-leading with Journey Spark Consulting.
0:11.0	It's called the CX and Culture Connection, creating a self-funding growth flywheel.
0:16.0	And it brings together CX and culture leaders who want to drive change, build stronger internal collaboration,
0:22.2	and actually reinvest efficiency savings into growth driving initiatives. This isn't just theory.
0:27.6	You'll get monthly virtual sessions, one-on-one coaching, quarterly workshops, and access to
0:32.5	the value accelerator tools focused on strategy, cultural alignment, and voice of customer. Plus, you'll connect with
0:38.7	leaders across functions, from marketing to product to ops, who are facing the same challenges
0:43.6	and pushing towards the same goals. Up to four team members can participate from your organization,
0:48.6	so you're building alignment while building momentum. Want in? Learn more and sign up at
0:53.6	journey spark consulting.com slash mastermind.
0:57.6	That's journey spark consulting.com slash mastermind. Let's turn your CX investment into a growth engine.
1:05.1	The agile brand. Welcome to Season 7 of the Agile brand, where we discuss the trends and topics
1:19.2	marketing leaders need to know.
1:21.2	Stay curious, stay agile, and join the top enterprise brands and MARTEC platforms as we explore
1:26.7	marketing technology,
1:28.2	AI, e-commerce, and whatever's next for the Omnichannel customer experience.
1:33.4	Together we'll discover what it takes to create an agile brand, built for today and tomorrow,
1:37.8	and built for customers, employees, and continued business growth.
1:42.2	I'm your host, Greg Kilstrom, advising Fortune 1,000 brands on MARTEC, AI, and marketing operations.
1:48.5	The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by Tech Systems, an industry leader in full-stack technology services,
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