Guys, welcome to the Jay Scott Outdoors podcast. Today I've got my friend Cliff Gray of Flat Top Wilderness

guides on the line from Colorado. Cliff, how you doing?

Good, thanks for having me again, Jay. Crazy times right now, the coronavirus, this COVID-19 has COVID-19, right?

Yeah, yeah.

COVID-19 is just, I mean, it's a crazy world right now. People are absolutely losing their mind. Cliff, someone that, like yourself that's, you know, kind of born and raised and grew up in Colorado and then went

to a fancy college and had a big fancy job and then went back to outfitting, but someone that

has been in the Wall Street world and the

big financial markets, what do you think, man?

This is crazy.

Yeah, no, I mean, I think it's a surreal, I mean, it's, I think it's a surreal, I mean it feels surreal to me in a lot of ways.

You know, like, like we've discussed before, you know, Jay, I think I think we'll I think we'll all

persevere through it and you know we'll get we'll get through it I don't think

it's the end of it all but I think I personally think we got a few weeks of challenging times and then economically probably

a few months if not a few years to kind of get ourselves out of what these kind of circumstances do.

But I think it's all good.

You know, I hopefully, you know, we're kind of all locked down me and my family and we've been kind of enjoying that.

In some ways it's kind of nice to get, remind yourself that spending time with family and

having time to do that is pretty important so that's pretty nice I guess

a silver lining to the whole quarantine in place deal yeah you know I've still follow your

wife and yourself on Instagram and I think she posted this morning

that the kids were watching you blow snow off the patio up at the ranch and it

looks like you guys just got a pretty good little storm.

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