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The Art of Manliness

#660: How Ancient Greek Tragedies Can Heal the Soul

The Art of Manliness

The Art of Manliness

Society & Culture, Education, Philosophy

4.714.8K Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2020

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

When you think about ancient Greek tragedies, you probably think about people in togas spouting stilted, archaic language -- stories written by stuffy playwrights to be watched by snooty audiences.

My guest today argues that this common conception of Greek tragedies misses the power of plays that were in fact created by warriors for warriors, and which represent a technology of healing that's just as relevant today as it was two millennia ago. His name is Bryan Doerries and he's the author of the book The Theater of War, as well as the artistic director of an organization of the same name that performs dramatic readings of ancient tragedies for the military and other communities. Bryan and I begin our conversation with what tragedies are, what this civic, religious, and artistic form of storytelling was supposed to do, how it was created by war veterans for war veterans, and how a civilian classicist ended up putting on these plays for current and former members of our modern military. We discuss how the ancient Greek tragedies depicted the depth and spectrum of human suffering, the intersection of fate and personal responsibility, characters who belatedly discover their mistakes, and the fleeting chance of changing behavior in the light of such realizations. Bryan also explains how the tragedies may have been a form of training for young people on how to grapple with the moral ambiguities that mark adulthood. And throughout the show, we dig into how tragedies, by showing people they're not alone, getting them to confront uncomfortable realities together, and bridging divides, can serve as a transformative technology for collective healing, not only for military veterans, but anyone who's dealt with trauma, loss, and the general confusions and hardships of the human experience.

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0:00.0

I'm Brett McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Malinus podcast.

0:10.6

When you think about ancient Greek tragedies, you probably think about people in Togas

0:13.8

Spadding stilted our cake language.

0:16.0

Stories written by stuffy playwrights to be watched by snooty audiences.

0:18.8

My guest today argues that this common conception of Greek tragedies misses the power of plays

0:22.5

that were in fact created by warriors for warriors and which represent a technology of healing

0:26.3

that's just as relevant today as it was two millennia ago.

0:29.0

His name is Brian Dorees and he's the author of the book The Theater of War, as well as

0:32.4

the artistic director of an organization of the same name that performs traumatic readings

0:35.8

of ancient tragedies for the military and other communities.

0:38.4

Brian I began our conversation with what tragedies are, with this civic, religious, and artistic

0:42.0

form of storytelling was supposed to do, how it was created by war veterans for war veterans

0:45.8

and how a civilian classis is ended up putting on these plays for current and former members

0:49.4

of our modern military.

0:50.4

We discuss how the ancient Greek tragedies depicted the depth and spectrum of human suffering,

0:54.4

the intersection of fate and personal responsibility, characters who belatedly discover their mistakes

0:58.5

in the fleeting chance of changing behavior in light of such realizations.

1:01.6

Brian also explains how the tragedies may have been a form of training for young people

1:04.8

on how to grapple with the moral ambiguities that marked adulthood.

1:07.7

And throughout the show, we dig into how tragedies, by showing people they're not alone,

1:11.1

getting the confront and comfort realities together, and bridging divides, can serve as

1:14.8

a transformative technology for collective healing, not only for military veterans, but

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