#66 Hong Kong, China, and the nationalist moment w/ Jake Werner

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🗓️ 10 November 2019

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Jake Werner joins me to discuss the ideological makeup of the Hong Kong protest movement, the material and cultural grievances that gave rise to the movement, the increasing nationalism of the Chinese ruling elite, how Chinese economic development can be characterised as "cheating at a rigged game" and, finally we discussed the increasing likelihood of armed conflict between China, the US and US regional allies. Articles by Jake that we discussed included: A Global Path through the Hong Kong Dilemma: Towards a New Internationalism: https://madeinchinajournal.com/author/jake-werner/ Why Confrontation With China Threatens the Progressive Agenda: https://www.thenation.com/article/china-schumer-kanna/ China Is Cheating at a Rigged Game: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/08/china-is-cheating-at-a-rigged-game/

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0:05.0	The men beat on their drums. I'm going to be. I'm going to I'm going to
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0:24.6	one of the Hello and welcome to politics theory other, a podcast from Tribune magazine.
0:50.0	My name is Alex Doherty and my guest today is Jake Werner.
0:53.3	We spoke about the explosive situation
0:55.7	in Hong Kong and the ideological makeup of the protest movement. We also talked about the global
1:01.2	nationalist turn and how China and Hong Kong fit into that dynamic, as well as the increasing
1:06.4	possibility of armed conflict between China and the United States. You can find links to some of the
1:12.1	articles Jake has written on these topics and that we discussed during the show in the episode
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