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655. “The Greatest Piece of Participatory Art Ever Created”

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🗓️ 5 December 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Why does an 18th-century Christian oratorio lend such comfort to our own turbulent times? Stephen Dubner sets out for Dublin to tell the story of George Frideric Handel’s “Messiah.” (Part one of “Making ‘Messiah.’”)

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0:00.0

Love is hard to explain.

0:07.0

When you fall in love with a person or a place or a thing, who can say why?

0:14.0

A few years ago, I fell madly in love with a piece of music.

0:18.0

This was during the COVID pandemic when there was still a lot of mask wearing, a lot of social isolation, a lot of music. This was during the COVID pandemic when there was still a lot of mask

0:21.7

wearing, a lot of social isolation, a lot of death, but also glimmers of hope. I am a sucker for

0:29.2

hope. I went to a concert around Christmas time with my wife and some friends, and the music I heard

0:34.1

that night jacked up my hope meter to 11.

0:42.9

It was a great feeling, especially when there was so much uncertainty and darkness, so much fear of the future. The older I get, the more I realize that fear of the future is essentially

0:48.8

a default condition of humankind. One thing I've learned from interviewing historians over the years is that

0:56.0

the historical outcomes that seem obvious today were not always obvious in the moment. The rise or

1:02.4

fall of a given empire or institution was rarely a foregone conclusion. If one or two decisions had gone

1:10.5

another way were one battle or marriage or

1:14.0

pregnancy, the outcome might have been different. But when you're standing in the present,

1:19.3

it's hard to see where the future lies. If you sense there is an ill wind blowing, you assume it will

1:25.3

keep blowing in the same direction and that things will only

1:28.2

get worse.

1:29.3

So we make all sorts of predictions based on uncertainty and fear.

1:34.7

Maybe that's what allows us to so easily abandon our kindness to people who aren't like us

1:39.6

and to justify acts of exclusion, which brings me back to the people and the places and the things

1:46.4

that we fall in love with. Why can only some of us love certain things? That piece of music

1:52.8

that I fell in love with, it is an 18th century Christian oratorio called Messiah by George Friedrich

1:59.7

Handel. In some circles, it is very famous, so you may

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