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🗓️ 5 September 2025
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| 0:00.0 | When you're sitting at the gate and you're getting ready to board a plane, do you have |
| 0:09.0 | that moment where you think I'm putting my life in someone else's hands? |
| 0:13.0 | I do. This is just a habit of mine because my oldest brother was an Air Force pilot, |
| 0:19.0 | and I've always been in awe because I have none of the technical, mechanical, or optic skills. |
| 0:26.1 | Reaction time, none. I have none of those abilities. |
| 0:28.4 | I'm with you. I've been around the industry for 30 years, and still, when I sit at the gate or whatever, I'm like, okay, I know the team. |
| 0:36.1 | I'm putting my life in their hands, and I'm trusting them, and that still goes through my head. It's not that I'm like, okay, I know the team. I'm putting my life in their hands and I'm |
| 0:37.5 | trusting them. And that still goes through my head. It's not that I'm nervous. It's just that |
| 0:42.1 | it's what we do. People think about the pilots. Some people see the control tower. They |
| 0:47.2 | think about us a little bit, but we're probably like not that high up in the thought process. |
| 0:53.1 | That is Kenneth Levin. |
| 0:54.9 | He lives in Northern California, and he recently retired after a 23-year career as an air traffic controller. |
| 1:02.1 | He also happens to be a Freakonomics radio listener. |
| 1:04.6 | And a few months ago, he sent us an email. |
| 1:06.5 | He got right to the point. |
| 1:07.6 | Stephen, he wrote, how about an episode about air traffic control? |
| 1:12.2 | My first thought was, yes, please. A few years ago, we did a three-part series about the airline |
| 1:18.0 | industry called Freakonomics Radio Takes to the Skies, but even in three episodes, we barely |
| 1:22.9 | touched on air traffic control. Like Levin says, it is just not that high up in the thought process. |
| 1:29.2 | I've since come to realize that that is by design. At any given moment, there are around 5,000 |
| 1:35.8 | planes in the sky above the United States. The pilots of those planes are in contact with |
| 1:41.6 | a constellation of controllers who guide the planes through departure, |
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