Hey ladies and gentlemen my next guest needs no introduction. He's a massive name in the psychedelic arena.

He's done a ton of good work, research and advocacy for psychedelics and how it's helping people.

Ladies and gentlemen without further ado please welcome my friend Rick Doblin to the Sean Ryan show.

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Rick Doblin. Hello, Shad. Welcome to the Sean Ryan show.

Yes, I'm so glad you like to do these things in person too because it is much better that way.

I won't do it any other way. I love an in person. I've got to meet everybody.

And we'll find out what we do in person here in a minute.

Just a brief introduction. Rick Doblin, PhD, just going to go through some of your some of the fantastic stuff you've done throughout the years.

So you're the founder and executive director of multi disciplinary action association for psychedelic studies maps which you founded in 1986.

You received your doctorate in public policy from Harvard's Kennedy School of government where you wrote your dissertation on the regulation of medical uses of psychedelics and marijuana.

Your master's thesis was on a survey of oncologists about smoked marijuana versus oral THC pill in nausea control for cancer patients.

You also conducted a 34 year follow up study with Timothy Leary's Concord prison experiment.

You studied with doctor. Tell me if I butcher this.

Stanislav Graf. You did it. That's great. He's a Czech psychiatrist who actually when the Russians moved into Czechoslovakia in 68, he fled.

And then he became in charge of psychedelic research at Johns Hopkins.

Interesting. Interesting. And we're among the first to be certified as a hollow, tropic, breathwork practitioner.

Yeah. So it's astonishing that just by hyperventilating, you can get into the states of mind that are similar to psychedelics.

And so when psychedelics were criminalized in the control substance act in 1970 and then we wiped out research, Stan tried to think about how can he go forward when all the tools that he had were in the past.

And then he studied breathing and he realized that if you do this hyperventilation in a certain kind of a way and an emotionally evocative way, it feels kind of like you're tripping and things come up from the surface.

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