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624. The Animal No One Loves, Until They Do

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🗓️ 28 February 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

To most people, the rat is vile and villainous. But not to everyone! We hear from a scientist who befriended rats and another who worked with them in the lab — and from the animator who made one the hero of a Pixar blockbuster. (Part three of a three-part series, “Sympathy for the Rat.”)

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Are you a chef? Are you a home cook? I can cook.

0:09.0

He says reluctantly.

0:11.6

I sometimes cook well. Not always. Do you happen to make a nice ratatouille?

0:17.5

Yeah, I've made ratatooie before, but I don't have the skill, taste, and feeling to make a great Ratatoui. The thing all, it's about rats. And Ratatoui, it tells

0:39.2

you it's a comedy because it's a silly word. And Ratatoui as the quintessential peasant dish,

0:46.6

it's just vegetables, it's stuff that you can find easily. If you know how to cook it well,

0:52.2

it's beautiful.

0:56.9

I'm speaking here with Jan Pinkova.

1:04.1

I worked on a couple of the early feature films of Pixar, including a Bugs Life and Monsters, Inc.

1:05.4

And Toy Story 2.

1:10.0

And I got a break to develop my own feature film.

1:13.7

That feature film was Ratatouille.

1:20.5

It's about a rat named Remy, who lives in a farmhouse in the French countryside, and dreams of becoming a chef.

1:22.1

You found cheese?

1:24.7

And not just any cheese.

1:27.2

Tom de Chevro de Pais! That would go beautifully with my mushroom!

1:30.5

But then, Remy, his family, and his entire rat tribe are chased into exile, and he winds up in

1:36.8

the sewers of Paris. As he explores the city above ground, Remy comes across the legendary

1:42.5

Gusto's restaurant. The late chef, Auguste,

1:46.4

Gusto, was Remy's hero. His famous book is called Anyone Can Cook. But Remy sees that Gusto's

1:53.4

restaurant is now run by a corrupt, tyrannical chef, and there's a new garbage boy in the kitchen

1:59.9

named Linguini.

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