Welcome to the Holy Post. It's been nearly a decade since Donald Trump descended on his golden escalator and turned conventional wisdom about evangelical political values upside down.

Bonnie Christian has written a new article arguing that the only people

still arguing about whether or not to support Trump are evangelical elites.

But for average evangelicals, the debate about Trump has been over for a while.

We discuss her article in today's news segment.

Then I talk to John Mark Comer about his new book, Practicing the Way.

He talks to me about the high cost of non-discipleship

that's happening in many of our churches and the unique way that ministry can

malform a young pastor's soul. All of that? Plus scientists in the UK discover that most people can talk

chicken. We've also got two big announcements this week. First, we have a brand new Holy Post event happening in Portland, Oregon on January 31st,

where you can meet Caitlin Shess, Nije Gupta, the Holy Post CEO, John Houghton,

and others in the Holy Post community.

There's going to be plenty of socializing along with a program featuring a conversation between

Nije and Caitlin, followed by a behind-the-scenes look at some upcoming Holy Post projects.

So for more information and tickets, head over to holy post.com slash events.

The second announcement is that we have a brand new show we're launching this week exclusively

for Holy Post Plus subscribers. It's called the Sky Podcast. The first episode is

available now and new episodes are going to be released every Friday again exclusively

for Holy Post Plus subscribers. Each episode of the SkyPod is a little journey into my

head as I talk to people I've been curious about in in-depth interviews, some episodes are going to be a deep dive into a topic that I've been writing or learning about.

We're going to call those skydives.

And some skypod episodes like today's debut episode features me and my friend Drew Dick discussing

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