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60 Words, 20 Years

Radiolab

WNYC Studios

Science, Natural Sciences, History, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.643.5K Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2021

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

It has now been 20 years since September 11th, 2001. So we’re bringing you a Peabody Award-winning story from our archives about one sentence, written in the hours after the attacks, that has led to the longest war in U.S. history. We examine how just 60 words of legal language have blurred the line between war and peace.

In the hours after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, a lawyer sat down in front of a computer and started writing a legal justification for taking action against those responsible. The language that he drafted and that President George W. Bush signed into law - called the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) - has at its heart one single sentence, 60 words long. Over the last decade, those 60 words have become the legal foundation for the "war on terror."

In this collaboration with BuzzFeed, reporter Gregory Johnsen tells us the story of how this has come to be one of the most important, confusing, troubling sentences of the last two decades. We go into the meetings that took place in the chaotic days just after 9/11, speak with Congresswoman Barbara Lee and former Congressman Ron Dellums about the vote on the AUMF. We hear from former White House and State Department lawyers John Bellinger & Harold Koh. We learn how this legal language unleashed Guantanamo, Navy Seal raids and drone strikes. And we speak with journalist Daniel Klaidman, legal expert Benjamin Wittes and Virginia Senator Tim Kaine about how these words came to be interpreted, and what they mean for the future of war and peace.

Finally, we check back in with Congresswoman Lee, and talk to Yale law professor and national security expert Oona Hathaway, about how to move on from the original sixty words.

Original episode produced by Matt Kielty and Kelsey Padgett with original music by Dylan Keefe. Update reported and produced by Sarah Qari and Soren Wheeler.

Special thanks to Brian Finucane.

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0:00.0

Wait, you're listening to Radio Lab from WNYC.

0:17.4

Hi, I'm Lula Miller and I'm Lathif Nasser.

0:21.6

This is Radio Lab and today we are imminently approaching the 20th anniversary of 911 and

0:29.4

as we've been watching over the last couple of weeks, the American withdrawal from the

0:34.4

war in Afghanistan, which started shortly after those attacks, our producer Sara

0:40.0

Kari came to us and suggested that we rerun one of our old episodes.

0:44.8

Oh yeah, I mean, I feel really strongly about this story.

0:48.0

I feel like 60 words as an episode means a lot to me and part of it is like...

0:54.3

The episode is called 60 words and it's about a set of actual words that were written

0:58.6

down in the couple days after 911 that completely changed how and against whom the US can use

1:05.6

military force.

1:06.6

Now, that show was actually released back in 2014 before Sara was a producer here so

1:11.6

she heard it as a listener.

1:13.6

It just hit me so hard and I think that was like a real moment for me where I was like,

1:19.6

this is the kind of story that I want to be making because of my experience of 911 and

1:27.3

what a big part of my childhood feels like it was.

1:31.3

And where were you when 911 happened?

1:34.9

I was in the second grade and it was like literally maybe day four or five of Islamic

1:45.3

school.

1:46.3

My parents had enrolled my brother and I in this full-time Islamic school in Jersey which

1:51.6

is basically like Catholic school but instead of Catholic school, it's all Islamic studies

1:57.0

classes.

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