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Medicine Stories

60. The Boundaries of the Unthinkable are Wavering - Charles Eisenstein

Medicine Stories

Amber M Hill

Herbs, Health & Fitness, Ancestry, Alternativemedicine, Herbalism, Alternative Health, Dreams, Healing, Society & Culture, Psychedelics

4.8 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 10 December 2019

⏱️ 113 minutes

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Summary

The old stories that have guided our recent ancestors are falling apart, and we live in a time of great upheaval and division as we grope for a new guiding mythology. Yet enfolded into this chaos are the seeds of deep and revolutionary change. Charles Eisenstein has a knack for expressing the thoughts and feelings that many of us born to these times have had but never articulated, and a brilliant capacity for elucidating a way forward.

IN THE INTRO:

  • Following your curiosity & finding lifelong teachers

IN THE INTERVIEW:

  • None of us fit in to the boxes our culture makes for us, and the story we’ve been handed down is no longer resonant
  • Transitioning between paradigms, as the boundaries of the unthinkable begin to waver
  • The initiation into love that is the environmental crisis
  • A radical reframing of the climate debate (I so needed to hear this)
  • Appreciating the complex physiology of the organs and tissues of the living earth, and realizing that we cannot reduce that complexity to the one metric of carbon emissions and offsets- “We can cut carbon emissions to zero, and the planet will still die of organ failure if we continue to degrade its organs”
  • What we lose when we look at herbs, ecosystems, and anything/everything through a reductionist lense
  • Bringing nuance and empathy back into our highly polarized culture, where folks are both sides (of any issue) are impervious to ever being wrong
  • Holding our enemies in reverence (just channel Mr. Rogers)
  • The legacy trauma of living in this culture, and how to minimize its impact on future generations
  • What the germ theory of disease gets wrong, and why our inner ecosystems often play a larger role in our illness than the outer pathogens that get all the blame
  • A new perspective on autoimmunity, self, and the story of separation
  • Shifting the war paradigm by which we often approach health
  • Sacred economics: living in The Gift paradigm within our capitalist culture, and why Charles’ online courses are donation based
  • The individual as a holographic map of the universe unfolding
  • When you hold a question long enough, it will always bear a result

IN THE OUTRO:

  • Human hubris and the unforeseen consequences of thinking we can outsmart the vital life force (nature/evolution)
  • How challenges to the immune system both initiate children into their next level of unfolding and prevent later chronic disease
  • The polarization in the vaccine conversation, cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias, and exploring what it would take for me to change my mind on the issue
  • A short exploration of and some resources for learning more about the harmful consequences of praise, rewards, and punishments when raising kids

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0:00.0

I think that if we want a living earth and we want to fulfill our destiny, which in the old story was conquest and domination, and in the new story is service and participation, service to all life on earth, participation in the universe is coming more and more alive,

0:20.0

then we're going to have to come from a place of love.

0:26.0

Hello friends.

0:27.0

Welcome to the Medicine Stories Podcast,

0:30.0

where we are remembering what it is to be human upon the earth. I am your host Amber

0:36.4

Magnolia Hill and this is episode 60 always a moment to pause and celebrate and feel good when I hit these, you know, every 10

0:49.8

episodes mark and just really appreciate all that it takes to put this

0:56.2

podcast together and appreciate my audience so very much for being here for allowing the show to continue growing and

1:05.8

finding new ears and amazing new guests like today's Charles Eisenstein. I'm so excited to share this interview with you.

1:16.4

Hopefully you've already heard of Charles if not you about to get your mind blown.

1:22.0

It's a really wide-ranging conversation as I tend to do, very similar to

1:28.8

episode 57 with Dr. Kelly Brogan, where these people are such brilliant original thinkers who have put so much

1:38.1

out there that I've got to go where my curiosity leads me in the interview and hopefully you consider this

1:48.8

podcast in these interviews entry points into the person's work and whatever calls to you you can go deeper into.

1:56.7

It's my goal to, you know, peak your own curiosity and to encourage you to spend some time that might otherwise be spent,

2:07.2

you know, watching TV or scrolling Instagram, reading a book or listening to another podcast that goes deeper into ideas that fascinate

2:16.7

you and things that really call to your soul and your inner being.

2:23.0

So I'm just, as I say to him,

2:26.0

so grateful for Charles and his work.

2:29.0

I had been so confused in the last year or so over the climate change debate and what both sides were saying

2:37.2

so vehemently and strongly. I've also been really confused over food and food choices. I've talked about that on this show before that I didn't even realize I had food confusion until I started this podcast and started talking about these things with various guests.

2:54.9

And so we don't we don't get into the food at all in this interview, but Charles has a

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