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The Michael Shermer Show

60. Nicholas A. Christakis — Blueprint: The Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4921 Ratings

🗓️ 3 April 2019

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

In this exceptionally important conversation Dr. Shermer discusses at length the background to and research of Dr. Nicholas Christakis, a physician and evolutionary sociologist famous for his study of social networks in humans and other animals. Drawing on advances in social science, evolutionary biology, genetics, neuroscience, and network science, Blueprint shows how and why evolution has placed us on a humane path—and how we are united by our common humanity. For too long, scientists have focused on the dark side of our biological heritage: our capacity for aggression, cruelty, prejudice, and self-interest. But natural selection has given us a suite of beneficial social features, including our capacity for love, friendship, cooperation, and learning. Beneath all our inventions—our tools, farms, machines, cities, nations—we carry with us innate proclivities to make a good society. In Blueprint, Nicholas A. Christakis introduces the compelling idea that our genes affect not only our bodies and behaviors, but also the ways in which we make societies, ones that are surprisingly similar worldwide. With many vivid examples—including diverse historical and contemporary cultures, communities formed in the wake of shipwrecks, commune dwellers seeking utopia, online groups thrown together by design or involving artificially intelligent bots, and even the tender and complex social arrangements of elephants and dolphins that so resemble our own—Christakis shows that, despite a human history replete with violence, we cannot escape our social blueprint for goodness. Shermer and Christakis also discuss:

  • his background and how he got into studying social networks and society
  • why evolutionary psychology is an equal opportunity offender (Right: biological creationism; Left: cognitive creationism)
  • the 8-character suite of human nature that goes into building a good society
  • Unintentional Communities like shipwrecks
  • Intentional Communities like communes
  • Artificial Communities like Seasteading
  • love and why it matters for a good society, and not just a good life
  • friends and social networks
  • genes and culture co-evolution
  • boo words like positivism, reductionism, essentialism, determinism and why we need not fear them
  • Hume’s Wall: is-ought naturalistic fallacy
  • engineering new social worlds and governing mars.

Nicholas A. Christakis is a physician and sociologist who explores the ancient origins and modern implications of human nature. He directs the Human Nature Lab at Yale University, where he is the Sterling Professor of Social and Natural Science, in the Departments of Sociology, Medicine, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Statistics and Data Science, and Biomedical Engineering. He is the Co-Director of the Yale Institute for Network Science and the co-author of Connected: The Surprising Power of Our Social Networks and How They Shape Our Lives.

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0:00.0

As most of you know that are regular listeners, we do this once a week on Wednesdays as part of our

0:07.2

Mission with E-Sceptic and Skeptic magazine and Skeptic Society to promote science and reason and critical thinking about and fields and subjects, topics mostly focused on scientists and scholars with new books.

0:26.3

So that's kind of our hook or our angle that makes our podcast a little different from others

0:31.2

that I'm mostly dealing with touring authors and

0:34.6

authors that have new books out. My guest this week is Nicholas Christakis.

0:40.2

Here's his new book called Blueprint the Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society.

0:45.8

He is the physician and sociologist who explores the ancient origins and modern implications of human nature.

0:54.4

He directs the Human Nature Lab at Yale University, where he is the Sterling Professor of

0:58.6

Social and Natural Science in the Departments of Sociology, Medicine, Ecology, and Evolutionary Biology,

1:05.0

Statistics and Data Science and Biomedical Engineering.

1:09.0

He is the coordinator of the Yale Institute for Network Science and the co-author of Connected.

1:16.9

The new book is great.

1:17.8

We talk about a lot of different subjects here covering a little bit of background of how he got into studying a network science

1:26.2

and communities and societies and how he came to write this book.

1:31.6

Why Evolutionary Psychology is kind of an equal opportunity offender to both the political right and the political left.

1:38.0

His eight characteristics that make up his suite of human social nature, both cognitively and socially.

1:46.0

And unintentional communities such as shipwrecks.

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I had no idea there was a database on people that got wrecked on islands and

1:58.6

formed new little societies to survive.

2:03.0

Fascinating all the way up to the only one I did know about is Pitcairn Island after the

2:06.6

mutiny on the bounty.

2:07.9

That was sort of an intentional community, other intentional communities like the Cabotzen

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