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Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

60 | Lynne Kelly on Memory Palaces, Ancient and Modern

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

Sean Carroll | Wondery

Society & Culture, Physics, Philosophy, Science, Ideas, Society

4.84.4K Ratings

🗓️ 19 August 2019

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Memory takes different forms. Memories can be encoded in the strength of neural connections in our brains, but there’s a sense in which photographs and written records are memories as well. What did people do before such forms of memory even existed? Lynne Kelly is a science writer and researcher who specializes in forms of memory in the ancient world, as well as a competitive memory expert in her own right. She has theorized that ancient structures such as Stonehenge might have served as memory palaces, encoding social knowledge over extended periods of time. We talk about how to improve your own memory, the origin of religion, and how prehistoric cultures preserved their know-how.

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Lynne Kelly received her Ph.D. in English from La Trobe University. Originally trained as a computer scientist, she has worked as an educator before transitioning into science writing and memory research. She is an Honorary Research Associate at La Trobe University. She is the author of a number of books, including The Skeptic’s Guide to the Paranormal. Her work on memory methods and ancient societies was published as an academic book, Knowledge and Power in Prehistoric Societies: Orality, Memory, and the Transmission of Culture, as well as in trade form as The Memory Code: The Traditional Aboriginal Memory Technique That Unlocks the Secrets of Stonehenge, Easter Island and Ancient Monuments the World Over. Her most recent book is Memory Craft: Improve Your Memory Using the Most Powerful Methods From Around the World.


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0:00.0

Hello, everyone and welcome to the Mindscape Podcast.

0:02.9

I'm your host, Sean Carroll.

0:04.8

And if you're anything like me, you have been frustrated at times in your life with your

0:08.8

inability to remember things.

0:11.5

Once you get to be a certain age, you're allowed to blame your lack of memory on your

0:15.9

advancing age.

0:16.9

But I think that all of us at any age are frustrated by the fact that we would like to be able

0:21.6

to remember things that we have been through, have experienced.

0:24.9

As a famous fact in psychology, that human beings have terrible memories and they can be

0:30.2

overwritten and you can think that false memories are very true and so forth.

0:34.6

So nevertheless, there are people out there who are super duper memorizers, right?

0:39.4

You may have heard of these memory competitions that people have and this technique called

0:44.4

memory palaces where you basically associate some incredibly long complicated list of information

0:51.2

with physical locations, either real physical locations in your house or in your yard

0:55.7

or whatever, or made up physical locations.

0:58.6

You build a palace in your mind.

1:00.8

And that's, we kind of have some reasoning as to why that's true in the brain.

1:06.3

Memories are about associations between different neurons and one of the strongest things that

1:11.6

the brain is able to do is locate ourselves in space, so associating different facts or

1:16.5

figures with different locations in space is a great way to remember them.

1:21.4

So today's guest is Lynn Kelly, who has a broader, much more interesting take on this

1:27.4

idea and the usefulness of memory palaces.

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