Hey, I'm Lisa Whittle and welcome to the Jesus Over Everything show, affectionately known as Joe,

where around here you will always hear honest conversations about life, faith, and true strength,

courage, and love in the midst of our real everyday life. Doing something fun and exciting for the

summer, airing the best of the best Joe from the past two seasons. That's right. We are bringing you the top

20 most listened to Joe shows of the past year. Shows with some of my most amazing guests,

therapists, Bible teachers, some of my close friends, talking about sex and spiritual abuse

and how to have hard conversations and showing up when it's hard.

Get ready. Buckle up. Best of the best. Top 20 Joe shows are here.

Hey, thanks for showing up. I'm Lisa Whittle and welcome to the Jesus Over Everything show, affectionately known as Joe, where this season it is all about truth-telling, finding the good, and showing up for our lives today no matter what has happened, even yesterday. Hey, quickly, a big thank you to my partner, Dwell, the incredible audio Bible app where you can go through the Bible in a year

with one of their incredible plans.

Here, scripture based on exactly how you're feeling or what you're going through in your

life, and most importantly, grow in your faith.

Customize the voice you prefer, choose your preferred translation.

Dwell is just incredible.

I listen to the Bible through Dwell almost every morning.

Link to Dwell is in my show notes

or go to Lisa Whittle.com forward slash dwell, where you can sign up for our partner discount today.

My goodness, this interview, this woman, Kate Bowler, she calls herself an incurable optimist.

I love that. She's also a Duke professor and a New York Times bestseller.

Her new book, No Cure for Being Human, where she talks about a lot of things, including her

journey after being diagnosed with stage four cancer, is just like her other writing, literally

breathtaking. Kate is one of my favorite writers, and I'm telling you I'm picky.

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