I'm John Baps, who are speaking with Victor Davis-Hanson, his new book is The Dying Citizen.

America's success is built on the middle classes, and the middle classes success is built

on the constitution of our founders for more than 200 years providing adequate checks

and balances.

In the constitution, however, is our pieces that are under review or under pressure by voices

here in the 21st century.

Nullification.

Andrew Jackson, we all learn this in grade school.

Andrew Jackson, 1832, the Civil War, 1857-1861.

Two instances of state, South Carolina with Jackson, and the Confederacy with the Dred Scott

to the succession of late 60, early 61, leading to the Civil War.

And then there was the nullification or attempted nullification during the 50s and 60s in the

Civil Rights Strike in the South.

But now we come to nullification today.

Victor, I can't find anywhere a serious argument for sanctuary cities now that they're

sagging under the overwhelming number of immigrants who are arriving.

The sanctuary cities suddenly want money from the central state.

Are they rethinking this sanctuary virtue of these last years?

I think they are a little bit.

There's 550 counties, state, or municipal sanctuary cities, and that's just a euphemism

for nullification of federal immigration law, where it says that if somebody is here illegally

and commits a crime, we're not going to turn that person over to the immigration services.

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