Emma Southern's here. Her new book is A Rome of One's Own, The Forgotten Women of the Roman Empire.

We've spent time with Julia getting even with Augustus, but now the Empire in the First

AD is the product of Augustus's strong-mindedness, I'll be fair-minded here.

And he's succeeded by Tiberius and Claudius and we all know Kaleguilla and then Nero and then Nero commits suicide in a

strange fashion and it passes on to the Flavians and what we're looking at here is that first century not in Rome

not even on the continent but in Britain. Roman Britain was about as far as you

could get from the center.

And yet there was success.

Claudius conquers it.

There are cities built up.

Londinium is the one we know as London, Colchester and others. But there are Roman tribes that the English

students I've met are very proud of and there are two in particular, the Burganties and

the Ice and I. The Ice and I are close into London. The

Burganties are in the north. I don't know my geography that well but I do know that

the Burganties are major important and they're led by Kartamandua whom you've not heard of

you've heard of the other one Budica so let us start with the cartamandia because she understands as the Queen of the Burgantis that the Romans are not to be

defeated, they're to be pleased.

And is that a popular opinion when she picks it up?

Is she alone one who understands

that you can deal with the Romans? You don't have to fight them.

She is certainly one of the, I think it's probably a majority opinion once the the

Roman kind of initial war of conquest is pretty short and then 11 kings and queens submit to Claudius when he has invaded in 43 and she is probably one of those or her predecessor is and a lot of the rulers of

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