You're listening to The West Wing Weekly. I'm Rishikesh, here way. And I'm Joshua Malina.

And today we're talking about the Burnham Wood. It's the second episode of Season 6.

It was written by John Wells. It was directed by Alex Graves. I think as was the first episode.

Same team. Exactly. Wells and Graves. And it first aired on October 27th, 2004.

Starting up later, we're going to be joined by Jacob Wallace, who's the former ambassador to Tunisia.

All the more relevant to this episode, he worked extensively on the Middle East peace process.

And Arab is really issues for almost 20 years. And he was at the Camp David Summit in 2000,

which this whole storyline is really based around.

Josh, I was wondering, what did you think of the title for this episode? The Burnham Wood?

Mmm. We're going to start with that. I don't know.

Well, I'm not sure I know the relevance clearly. It gets, well, I mean, if we were to zip head to the end,

we see Leo fall on the woods. Burnham Wood being a reference to the Scottish play.

Is that what you call it? Have we discussed the superstition? Didn't we wait back when?

I don't know. I feel like there's a West Wing reference to it.

I don't know. There's a classic theater taboo against uttering the name of that play.

I think I've just figured out good work around though. There's a character in it named Macbeth.

I can do I can say that. It's okay. I'm just saying the characters.

I think the superstition is that you can't say it while you're in the theater.

Perhaps, but I consider my office not only the place where my cats,

but I also consider it a theater. Right. For you, all the worlds of stage. That's right.

Anyway, there's a reference. I guess the witches warn Macbeth that he will finally be defeated.

When Burnham Wood comes to Densanane, and then ultimately, of course, the classic finish,

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