Hello and welcome. My name is John August. No. My name is Craig Mason.

And this is episode 580 of ScriptNets. It's a podcast about screenwriting and things that

are interesting to screenwriters. Today on the show, it's a how would this be a movie

case study? I'll be talking with screenwriter William Nicholson about his script for 13

lives, following the attempted rescue of a tight soccer team trapped at a cave. We'll

get into issues of life rights, competing projects, narrative-cointed view, cultural sensitivity,

and what happens when you and the director don't agree about what kind of movie you're

trying to make? Craig, it's a really good conversation. And I was sorry, not having you

there, but it was sometimes the one on one things are better, one's just one on one.

What I'm hearing is that it was a really good conversation because I wasn't there.

It was a good conversation. Also, I saw the movie, and I think I was sort of vaguely aware

of the actual real life rescue. But you remember that one when I was happening?

Yep, I remember when it was happening. I remember Elon Musk doing what he seems to do on a

daily basis now, which is to say something incredibly stupid. So there was that. But they

got the kids out, which was great. Yeah, which is great. I knew that the kids got out.

So we did talk a little bit about sort of knowing the ending of the movie before he

sat down to watch it. You know the kids get out, but the specifics were actually a lot

different than I sort of realized or sort of had to report it in the moment. And it was

a really question of like point of view. So do you talk about it from the family's point

of view, from the kids inside the cave's point of view, at what point do you reveal the

kids inside the cave or alive? How do you reflected the balance of like sort of worldwide

attention versus the actual very small, local story on the ground? So it was a good conversation

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