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579. Robbie Williams vs The Internet | Culture Wars, Fame & Charlie Kirk

heretics.

Andrew Gold

Personal Journals, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.4 • 968 Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Having just had his gig canceled in Turkey, Robbie Williams is inadvertently more controversial than ever. To make matters even madder, we speak the day after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. SPONSORS: Use Code ANDREW FOR 25% OFF Plaud Note: https://bit.ly/4nJWt7j  Plaud Note Pro: https://bit.ly/423JiWv  Grab your free seat to the 2-Day AI Mastermind: https://link.outskill.com/ANDREWS2  Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at https://mintmobile.com/heretics  Start your MyHeritage journey now with a 14-day free trial using my link: https://bit.ly/AndrewGoldMyHeritage Go to https://TryFum.com/HERETICS  and use code HERETICS to get your free FÜM Topper when you order your Journey Pack today!  Get his gear: https://hopeiumclothing.com Listen to his brilliant new single Pretty Face: https://open.spotify.com/prerelease/1tnKHqZDCq7HPBtEnajyZs?si=ae324a709e42402e Robbie Williams joins Andrew Gold on Heretics for one of his rawest and funniest interviews yet — talking about fame, anxiety, cancel culture and the madness of modern life. From Take That to “Angels” to being labelled “toxic” online, Robbie opens up about what it means to survive in a world where everyone seems angry. He reflects on depression, ego and his search for meaning after superstardom - and reveals why he’s still addicted to fame, even when it hurts. Expect stories about Gary Barlow, Boy George, Ricky Gervais, Lady Gaga, Charlie Kirk and even Donald Trump’s assassination attempt - plus Robbie’s hilarious take on why “everyone with an opinion feels toxic” and why he can’t stop reading the comment sections. This is the most honest Robbie Williams you’ve ever seen - part confessional, part comedy and completely Heretical. #robbiewilliams #hereticspodcast #charliekirk  Join the 30k heretics on my mailing list: https://andrewgoldheretics.com  Check out my new documentary channel: https://youtube.com/@andrewgoldinvestigates  Andrew on X: https://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok   Insta: https://www.instagram.com/andrewgold_ok Heretics YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@andrewgoldheretics Chapters: 0:00 Robbie Williams Highlights 2:30 Robbie Williams WATCHES Heretics? 4:45 Sleeping Really Badly 8:00 Kids Having Phones 11:15 Reading An Article About Himself (Daily Mail) 12:30 Robbie Asking About Hyper-Awareness 15:30 What Is Happening with Heretics 18:30 Accepting Being Shouted At Online 21:00 Purpose and Happiness 22:30 Robbie Retired & Grew A Beard 25:30 Is It Different Being An Older Pop Star 26:45 Vaudeville, Cabaret & Entertainment 27:45 Not Radiohead or Oasis, but Tommy Cooper 28:30 Accidentally Pissing Off Boy George 30:30 We Don’t Have Youth Movements Now 32:30 Why Can’t Robbie Write Another Angels? 36:15 How Angels Saved Robbie’s Career 37:30 When People Sing Angels At Robbie 41:30 Ricky Gervais & Guitar Lessons 43:30 People Criticising Food Waste! 45:20 Charlie Kirk 47:30 Why Is Everyone A Dick? 50:37 Culture Wars & Toxicity 53:10 Getting Jealous of Lady Gaga 55:30 Hopeium 57:30 What Can’t Robbie Afford? 59:30 Needing Fame to Feel Whole 1:01:15 Robbie & Andrew Pranked Shaun Attwood 1:04:30 Why Robbie is Back to Brit Pop 1:07:30 Robbie’s Most Under-Rated Song 1:11:00 A Heretic Robbie Williams Admires Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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slash glassbox. Go to shopify.com.com.com.com.com.com.com. Why is it that everybody with an opinion feels like a toxic person?

1:09.3

Anybody on the left and anybody on the right.

1:14.0

Why is everyone a dick?

1:15.6

Welcome to the show, Robbie Williams.

1:16.9

Robbie Williams!

1:20.3

I constantly find myself listening to people and going,

1:24.0

I think I agree with that.

1:25.6

But you're a dick.

1:27.3

You get pilloried and attacked for not picking a side as well.

1:31.6

Yeah, you can't win.

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