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57: The Seaman Family & Elizabeth Freeman’s Quest for Freedom

Let's Go To Court!

Let's Go To Court!

True Crime, History, Comedy

4.84.8K Ratings

🗓️ 27 February 2019

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

Nancy and Bob Seaman had a long and unhappy marriage. They got married in 1973, and by 2004, they were sleeping in different areas of the house and communicating exclusively through angry post-it notes. It looked like they were heading for divorce. But then Bob went missing. It didn’t take long for police to discover his body in the back of Nancy’s Ford Explorer. There’s no question that Nancy murdered Bob, but that’s where the certainty ends. Nancy claimed he’d been abusive for the entirety of their marriage. The couple’s youngest son, Greg, backed her up. But their oldest son, Jeff didn’t. Who was the jury to believe? Was Nancy a cold-blooded killer? Or was she an abused spouse who lashed out in self defense?

Elizabeth Freeman was one hell of a woman. She was born into slavery in the mid-1700s. But thanks to a lot of gumption, the newly created Massachusetts Constitution, and a kick ass legal team, Elizabeth became the first enslaved woman to successfully sue for her freedom. Her lawyers argued that Massachusetts’ new constitution, which championed freedom and equality, effectively abolished slavery. Just nine years after her lawsuit, the federal census recorded no slaves living in Massachusetts.

And now for a note about our process. For each episode, Kristin reads a bunch of articles, then spits them back out in her very limited vocabulary. Brandi copies and pastes from the best sources on the web. And sometimes Wikipedia. (No shade, Wikipedia. We love you.) We owe a huge debt of gratitude to the real experts who covered these cases.

In this episode, Kristin pulled from:
“Freedom Suits of the Pre-Constitutional Era,” www.mass.gov
“Elizabeth Freeman,” PBS
“Jury Decides in Favor of Elizabeth “Mum Bett” Freeman,” www.massmoments.org
“Elizabeth Freeman,” www.womenhistoryblog.com
“Slavery in New England,” section of the book Bentley’s MIscellany, Volume 34
An episode of “Finding Your Roots”
Wikipedia entries for Elizabeth Freeman, Quock Walker, Theodore Sedgwick, the Sheffield Declaration, and the Colonel John Ashley House

In this episode, Brandi pulled from:
“Nancy Seaman” episode Snapped
“The judge who sentenced Nancy Seaman for murder now wants to set her free” by Hanna Rappleye, NBC News
“Nancy Seaman” wikipedia.org

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:08.0

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0:14.8

none up on the table or just cracking open an ice cold Pepsi Max.

0:20.1

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0:23.0

Better with Pepsi Max.

0:27.0

One semester of law school.

0:29.0

One semester of law school. One semester of criminal justice.

0:31.0

Two experts.

0:33.6

I'm Kristen Pitts.

0:34.8

I'm Brandy Egan.

0:36.0

Let's go to court.

0:37.7

On this episode, I'll talk about an enslaved woman who sued her way to freedom.

0:43.0

And I'll be talking about seaman.

0:45.0

Oh, oh, excuse me, I'm sorry, I mean the seemons.

0:49.0

Gross!

0:50.0

Well, our cases couldn't be more different.

0:57.0

It's not really that light-hearted of a case, but their last name is Seaman.

1:02.0

Oh, geez.eez so there's that so we'll take our laughs where we can that is right okay

1:10.4

let's just uh... jump, shall we? I guess. You want anything you want to cover coming off the top?

1:18.0

I don't know. I kind of was hoping for a little chit-chat, but apparently you want to dive right in no I mean you got something to

1:23.9

chat all shit no I was hoping I was hoping you came prepared were you ever

1:28.8

in okay see this is sometimes you just got to start talking. And so it comes up.

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