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🗓️ 26 October 2023
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0:00.0 | Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner. We've been making Frekenomics Radio for a while now, and |
0:08.8 | there are two themes we have come back to again and again. The first is the value of persistence, |
0:14.7 | of staying the course, not giving up. Our friend Angela Duckworth, a research psychologist at |
0:20.3 | the University of Pennsylvania, wrote a book about this. It's called Grit, the power of passion |
0:25.8 | and perseverance. Here she is on our sister podcast, No Stupid Questions. I think the reason why |
0:31.7 | there are all these aphorisms about not giving up, and maybe why so much of my research has focused |
0:37.0 | on the psychology of staying the course, is that sometimes the road not taken, the track that you |
0:43.8 | want to switch to, is appealing not because it is objectively better, but because it's objectively |
0:49.5 | easier just in the short run. In other words, we give up because we're lazy, or maybe impatient, |
0:56.7 | or intimidated, or we're scared to fail. That makes sense, doesn't it? Duckworth is saying we |
1:03.6 | might be better off by learning to tough it out. But the other theme we have often explored is |
1:11.2 | pretty much the opposite of Grit. Back in 2011, we made an episode called The Upside of Quitting. |
1:19.2 | Here's my Freakonomics friend and co-author, Steve Levitt, more recently. |
1:23.2 | There is a compliment to be called a quitter precisely because we live in a world where so many |
1:29.1 | forces push us to persist far too long at failing endeavors. Now, Levitt is an economist, not a |
1:36.6 | psychologist, and his ideas about quitting come from basic economic concepts. One of them is called |
1:42.4 | Opportunity Cost. That's the idea that every dollar or hour or brain cell you spend doing one thing |
1:50.1 | is a dollar, an hour, or brain cell you can't spend on some other opportunity. |
1:55.2 | There is another idea called the Sunk Cost Fallacy. A Sunk Cost is a time or money or effort |
2:02.2 | you've already spent. The fallacy is the belief that since you've already spent all those |
2:07.2 | resources, you would be foolish to quit. But in reality, this is what economists argue, at least, |
2:14.5 | those Sunk Costs are a distraction. And if what you're doing isn't likely to work out, |
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