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53: US-China Ceasefire and Competition in Technology and Space. Jack Burnham (Foundation for Defense of Democracies research analyst) characterizes the Trump-Xi meeting as a necessary "truce" that allows both nations to gain stability and strengthen their pos

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 6 November 2025

⏱️ 6 minutes

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US-China Ceasefire and Competition in Technology and Space. Jack Burnham (Foundation for Defense of Democracies research analyst) characterizes the Trump-Xi meeting as a necessary "truce" that allows both nations to gain stability and strengthen their positions before the next escalation. Regarding rare earths, China is now employing the US "playbook," setting up a licensing structure rather than a full trade cessation. He emphasizes that building a complete rare earth supply chain outside of China, especially refining capacity, may realistically take seven to ten years. In technology, Beijing is pushing for domestic self-sufficiency in AI infrastructure, partly driven by paranoia that imported chips may contain backdoors or vulnerabilities. Burnham also details China's commitment to militarizing space, including copying US reconnaissance capabilities and practicing anti-satellite operations like "dogfighting."
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I'm John Batchelor's research analyst Jack Burnham at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies,

0:10.0

watching the People's Republic of China, and here watching their manned space program,

0:16.6

not just low Earth orbit, but lunar orbit and lunar landing and maybe lunar colony.

0:23.9

All these big plans are ahead of us.

0:26.5

Question is, how is the U.S. doing in its ambition to return to the moon and or go on to the

0:33.7

Mars Earth system? Unknown, except Jack has some recommendations. First, Jack, your measure of

0:41.3

the manned space program in China, are they ready to get to the moon now or do they need

0:46.6

components that they're still building? Thank you. I don't think they're quite ready to go to the

0:52.3

moon yet, but I would say that China, particularly

0:54.9

having collaborated with Russia on various space programs, is certainly leaning in that direction.

1:01.3

The domestic space, the private sector space program in China has increased. The CCP has put

1:08.4

more effort to develop this private industry, particularly having seen the

1:12.9

success of Elon Musk's SpaceX here in the United States, really in the wake of that success,

1:19.9

China wanted to copy it and wanted to develop its own private industry that could really

1:24.0

support a public-private partnership between the traditional state-run

1:30.2

conglomerates that developed dual-use technologies, you know, often the same companies that

1:36.1

developed China's first generation of intercontinental ballistic missiles or military rockets

1:42.3

would also develop rockets that could carry civilian

1:44.6

payloads.

1:45.6

And you also see a burgeoning private sector that has certainly connections to the state,

1:51.3

but is also more interested in building out communications, satellites, lower orbit,

1:55.4

and potentially looking at manned space travel as well.

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