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It was just like a big old disaster. You know, this person getting killed, you know, then you turn around. That's another one. That's another one.

You know, like it was just, I thought it wouldn't go in the way it was going.

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clemente, former New York City prosecutor and retired FBI profiler. Also, writer and producer on CBS's Criminal Minds. And with me today is...

Laura Richards, I'm a criminal behavioral analyst, advocate and author and also founder and director of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service and co-creator of CBS's Show, The Case of Jean-Bene Ramsey.

And I'm Lisa Zambetti. I am the casting director for CBS's Criminal Minds, where Jim Clemente is my colleague. He is a writer and producer on the show.

And every so often during the season, we get to work together on one of his scripts and want to talk about that your latest script.

Yeah, well, hopefully our listeners were able to watch Wednesday night, the episode that I, the latest episode that I wrote called A Good Husband.

And it was an episode that explored the horrible world of course of control. And that is when one partner in a relationship controls the other one by doing things that outwardly appear to be helpful, but actually maintain tremendous control and over time lock down their partner into a situation where they do not have any choices in their life.

And they are being completely manipulated and their humanity is stolen from them, right Laura?

Yeah, I mean it's sadly, you know, it's a form of domestic terrorism and it's where one really does micromanage another and limits their space for action.

And as you quite rightly say, Jim, see it can be seen as sort of attentive behavior or pseudo-cairing behavior. And it's very insidious and under the skin, but it's a pattern and normally it goes on for a long time.

And many people who have victimized don't even realize that they're being victimized.

Things like the husband offering to drive their partner to work and picking them up after work and driving them to the store and cleaning and cooking at home and making sure that they have everything they want and making sure that every single thing that they do in their life is provided to them by their partner.

So it sounds like what? But what you find is they're also not allowed to speak unless spoken to that they're not allowed to have friends outside of the relationship that the partner looks at their cell phone and calls every number on it to make sure who that other person is and what the relationship is cuts them off from their friends, prevents them from going out and just being alone and being on their own time.

And all these things actually put that person in bondage and it's a love bondage because that that victimized person thinks that the other person is doing it out of love and then slowly loses self.

So in this particular episode, I wanted to set that in a different setting. And so it's set in Palm Springs and it's set in the midst of a gay marriage.

And this marriage actually is one that is breaking up because of the course of control because the friends of this victim have helped him recognize the fact that he is in a course of the controlled relationship and that he's trying to get away.

But as a result of that, the partner lashes out and lashes out with homicide.

And Laura, can you talk about how many times it takes people to try to leave or is there, do you have any like statistics on how long it could take somebody to try to get out of this relationship and it usually does it usually take friends to intervene or.

Well, on average, it's about seven times that someone will try and leave and of course we've got to remember that normally the victim loves this person and they're emotionally, you know, in turmoil because they love the person that they're with but they want the abusive behavior to stop so they want the relationship normally to go back to where it was when it first began because we don't fall in love with people who are abusive.

It tends to happen over time and it is a control thing and that's the the real challenge with it. It's a power and control dynamic and you know normally the abusers says they're going to change and they're going to modify their behavior and they're going to do all the things that will make it right.

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