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Hello and welcome back to Cult Leader. I'm your Cult Leader Spencer Henry and today I am joined by the one, the only, Mikey, from Glam and Gore.

A lot of you have probably seen videos that we've done together and I know I've talked about you several times on the podcast and you are definitely the most requested guest.

And today's topic is one of my most requested episodes.

The case of John Bene Ramsey, I feel like is one and I know that we've talked about this before and probably a lot of you guys can relate.

Growing up, it's one of the biggest things that sparked my interest in True Crime in general because you could not go to a grocery store without seeing this little pageant girl on the cover of every magazine at the checkout with all of these different wild theories on what happened.

Yeah, actually, John Bene was one of my first memories ever actually. I mean, I was seven at the time, but I don't have a lot of memories from childhood actually and I remember watching the 24-hour news cycle constantly talking about her for what felt like months and months and months.

Explains how we ended up the way that we ended up.

I genuinely believe that this case had a lasting impact on who I grew up to be.

Because I think it's interesting and I think that it's like something that as a kid you're not used to really hearing about that kind of stuff. But when it's so blatantly out there everywhere you go and every story you go to every checkout line, like and you asked your parents like what happened.

I mean, they all probably had their little soft explanations.

Not just that too, but being a little girl at the time this little girl was murdered. I was doing dance recitals at that age and she was in pageants and I felt like we had a similar enough life that it was crazy for my little brain to comprehend that this could maybe happen to someone like me.

That was my closest relatable thing.

Well, I mean, it's kind of parallel if you think about it and I don't think that I necessarily put it in the same way. But I think that as a kid it's like those sorts of shocking things. I feel like the things that stay with you.

I can remember any scary thing you hear about as a kid. I feel like you can probably still remember today.

High emotion sticks. Yeah. That makes sense.

John Pade Ramsey was born in 1990 in Atlanta, Georgia. She was the younger of two children to Patricia and John Ramsey. Her older brother, Burke Ramsey was nine years old at the time of her death.

I think that a lot of what it comes down to in this case is negligence on behalf of the Colorado PD at the time.

And I'm not one to get into who's right and who's wrong or tell anybody how to do their job. However, the more you hear the details of how they handled this, the more you're kind of like what the fuck?

Well, and even one of one of the people I think leading the investigation of Javanay at the time ended up doing a Reddit AMA years later and flat out said, yeah, we didn't handle this right.

So they realize even the I think that they cost the investigation real answers that will never ever ever get ever ever ever ever. It was just on

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