From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 513.

Today's show is brought to you by Delete Me,

Uni Pizza Ovens and Wild Grain.

My name is Mike Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snow. Hi Jason.

Hi Mike, we're halfway to 1024, just past the 512 mark on our way up to 1024.

Off we go.

I'm back. I was away last last week thank you very much to Stephen and

Federica filling in for me you know how much joy it gave me that you mentioned

multiple times that it took both of them to replace me yeah so thank you for that

present to host in a trench coat yeah exactly both of them to replace me. So thank you for that present.

Who hosts in a trench coat?

Yeah, exactly.

Well, originally the idea was episode 512.

We're gonna have Stephen fill in for you.

He could talk to me about my iPad review. And then I discovered over the weekend that one

Federico had written a very long article about iPad failings and two he didn't

get one to review in time so I had proceeded under the assumption that

although I thought Federica would be the perfect guest for that episode because he's got his own

stuff and he was he would be prepping under the same embargo as me and all of that that there was no point in even trying

to get him on podcast he was he would be just too busy to do it but then I discovered over the weekend that that wasn't the case and so it was so good to be able to get him on for a little bit in there. I was up real early because he's way out there in Italy. And then Stephen Stephen as well so yeah it was fun.

Yeah it was a good time and I liked that you have both and I think it was good for the

show to have Federico on and and do all of that.

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