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ποΈ 9 November 2017
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Marty Solomon and Brent Billings look at the first of four voices found in Isaiah β the pre-Assyrian voice that condemned the greed and injustice of the people of Judah.
NB: Due to a malfunction with our original recording, this episode was recorded in 2021. Our environments and equipment setups have changed, but we did our best to present it as it was in 2017.
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Out of Babylon by Walter Brueggemann
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0:00.0 | This is the Baymaw podcast with Marty Solman. I'm his co-host, Brent Billings. Today we look at the first of four voices found in Isaiah, the pre-Acerian voice that condemned the greed and injustice of the people of Judah. |
0:19.3 | That's right. This is another podcast. I think our last one that we had to redo come into you from the future. If you hopefully listened to the last episode, you heard us talk about how we had a bad recording. And so three and a half years later, here we are to try to fix those bad recordings. We're going to try to reproduce the episode as close to the original as possible. But we are here from 2021 fixing our |
0:50.0 | Flubs. So there you go. There you go. Anything else we can see Brent? No, I just thought maybe you want to talk about what we mean by the voices of Isaiah and the episode title has the one before the Isaiah. And so maybe that's confusing. And so yeah, so what's going on here? |
1:08.9 | Absolutely. You said in your introduction there that we had the first of four voices of Isaiah and there could even be more. But one of the things that I discovered after my Bible education was that and scholarship and not that there's |
1:25.2 | nobody that thinks differently, but by and large, the consensus and scholarship is that you have multiple pieces of Isaiah. You have multiple authors, multiple multiple, what's usually called voices in the one book of Isaiah, you have probably at least three |
1:42.5 | different sections of Isaiah many will say for some people will say even more like some people think the whole prophecy, the whole book has been kind of rearranged and redacted with lots of different sources, lots of different voices coming together. |
1:56.5 | There's lots of different ways to kind of like slice and dice the details. But generally speaking, I'm going to take the theory that I think is probably most popular. |
2:08.5 | I remember Walter Brugumin mentions it as he goes through I used to always teach Brett in the past. I always taught how many voices wise for I actually taught three. Oh, you taught three. I taught three. I was aware that there was a popular opinion about four. |
2:22.5 | But I taught three. And then as I went through Brugumin's books and was studying some of his material, he convinced me of four. And so this is the first time I'm making a fourth Isaiah in this body of work. |
2:36.5 | But really what you have is you have a Isaiah spans this huge amount of time like the part that we're going to look at today, what period of history are we in, Brent still in pre a series or still in pre a Syrian. |
2:46.5 | And yet later in the book and yet you get later in Isaiah and you're listening to Isaiah condemn all these different nations that appear very later in the story, then you get later in Isaiah somewhere around say, you know, Isaiah 37 38 39. |
3:03.5 | And now a son you have like a historical record of sonakarib, which is much, much later in the story like much later in the story. And so either Isaiah is written much because the actual Isaiah lives as it's told in the Bible lives back with in the days of King Uzziah. |
3:25.5 | So we're talking 8th century BC. So that's early and yet a lot of the things that Isaiah talks about. And again, not in this super futuristic like cryptic prophecy sense, like as a historian recording what happened to sonakarib. |
3:44.5 | That portion is in Isaiah to which doesn't happen till much much later in history. And so you're spanning such a gap that you have to have multiple authors either you have somebody at the very end, like if you wanted to maintain there's one author of Isaiah logically speaking that has to be at the end of the historical timeline, writing in Isaiah's name about all the things that have happened before him. |
4:10.5 | Or you'd have to have this like belief that Isaiah was just absolutely speaking very directly and cleanly out of his mind in the in the first part as a prophecy as a future telling profit. |
4:25.5 | And so you have multiple voices at play here. And so what you what you probably likely have is you have at different points of history. |
4:33.5 | You potentially could have somebody that's coming after Isaiah, maybe even maybe a student of Isaiah's maybe even a disciple of Isaiah's somebody who is maybe younger and listen to the prophecy of Isaiah. |
4:46.5 | And then years later decades later, now that young student has grown up and is now a lot older, but they've taken everything they learned from Isaiah and now they're they're continuing the work, they're continuing the prophecy. |
4:59.5 | And then decades later, somebody that was listening to all the words of those authors picks up the mantle and carries the message of Isaiah further and then you know, a years later, another person picks up the mantle and carries it further. |
5:12.5 | So you have these other ghost writers writing underneath Isaiah's name. And so we're going to talk about these four voices at their appropriate points in our walk through prophetic history. |
5:28.5 | And so if you kind of want to break down again, it's hotly debated. I'm not a Hebrew scholar. So I don't have the luxury of being able to look at the Hebrew and how it works and operates to have a real good sense of this. |
5:39.5 | But generally speaking, first Isaiah is going to be the first 11 or 12 chapters. |
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