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The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk

502: Vitaliy Katsenelson - The Art of a Meaningful Life (Soul In The Game)

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk

Ryan Hawk

Business, Careers, Management

4.91.4K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2022

⏱️ 66 minutes

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VItaliy Katsenelson was born in Murmansk, USSR, and immigrated to the United States with his family in 1991. After joining Denver-based value investment firm IMA in 1997, Vitaliy became Chief Investment Officer in 2007, and CEO in 2012. Vitaliy has written two books on investing and is an award-winning writer. Known for his uncommon common sense, Forbes Magazine called him "The New Benjamin Graham."

  • "I guess I was born in Russia but made for America."
  • The two ways to look at life.
    • Like an airport… Where you rush to get through it.
    • Or an art museum. Where you take time to enjoy your surroundings. I think we should treat more days like they're an art museum.
  • "When you love what you do, your work stops being work and becomes a craft. And no matter what it is, you do it with pride, love, and care."
  • "In our relationships, we should set a goal, not for someone to love us, but to behave according to our values (to be worth loving) and to be a good, caring partner. We cannot control whether people will love us, but we can control our actions and our behavior."
  • "I'm perpetually in beta. This in beta attitude is liberating, as it gives you the chance to constantly improve yourself; to learn and grow. This doesn't mean you need to be buried in self-help books. You just need to have this in beta attitude."
  • "The best way to guard ourselves against our ego is by thinking of ourselves as evergreen students."
  • Albert Einstein said, "As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it." We should welcome the circumference of darkness wholeheartedly.
  • How Zeno, the founder of Stoicism approached his students: "He did not claim to be a physician-- he saw himself as a patient describing the progress of his treatment to fellow patients in the hospital beds beside him."
  • When Vitaliy's mother died (he was young), it made him appreciate his dad much more. I think we'd all be better off if we made the most of the time we have with the people we love and never take them for granted.
  • What Vitaliy learned from Warren Buffett? He was not a present dad. It's important to be in your kids lives. It's a gift to get to drive your kids to school.
  • Sit side by side with your children and talk (car rides, sit at the bar at restaurants, go on walks)
  • Vitaliy plays chess and he loses a lot... "Losing is part of tuition."
  • Seneca said, "Time discovers truth."
  • Attention is the currency of time.
  • "Writing is the most important thing that happened to me." Spend two hours a day organizing your thoughts. Writing helps you do that...
    • "Create a connection between the unconscious and conscious mind."

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or two and write a thoughtful review and rate the show hopefully five stars. This really

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a goal of mine to impact as many people as possible. So, RyanHawk.net write a thoughtful review

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and rate the show hopefully five stars. Alright, here we go. Welcome to the Learning Leader Show,

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presented by Insight Global. I am your host, Ryan Hawke. Thank you so much for being here

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for text, hawk, to 66866 to become part of Mindful Monday. You, along with tens of thousands

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of other Learning Leaders from all over the world, will receive a carefully curated email

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from me each Monday morning to help you start your week off right. You'll also receive

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details about how my book, The Pursuit of Excellence, will help you become a more effective

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leader, text, hawk, to 66866 now on tonight's featured leader, Vitaly Katsel Nelson was born

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in Russia and immigrated to the United States in 1991. After joining Denver-based Value Investment

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firm, IMA in 1997, Vitaly earned the CEO role in 2012. Forbes called him the new Benjamin

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Graham. He has written multiple bestselling books, including his latest called Soul in the

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Game, The Art of a Meaningful Life. This one had so much depth we discussed. What it was

2:27.6

like growing up in Russia and moving to America to go to college and why he stayed and then

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why we should be thoughtfully arrogant. Then he tells me what he learned from Warren Buffett

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about parenting. I would bet it will surprise you. This one was so wide-ranging and deep. I love

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