502. Michael Pollan and Chris Bache

Buddha at the Gas Pump

Rick Archer

Religion & Spirituality, Philosophy, Spirituality, Society & Culture

4.7 • 695 Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2019

⏱️ 127 minutes

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Summary

Michael Pollan is the author of eight books, including: How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence, Cooked: A Natural History of Transformation, Food Rules: An Eater's Manual, In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto, The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals, and The Botany of Desire, all of which were New York Times bestsellers. A longtime contributor to the New York Times Magazine, he also teaches writing at Harvard and the University of California, Berkeley where he is the John S. and James L. Knight Professor of Science Journalism. In 2010, Time magazine named him one of the one hundred most influential people in the world. Website Christopher M. Bache is professor emeritus in the Department of Philosophy and Religious Studies at Youngstown State University where he taught for 33 years. He is also adjunct faculty at the California Institute of Integral Studies and a Fellow at the Institute of Noetic Sciences. An award winning teacher, Chris’ work explores the philosophical implications of non-ordinary states of consciousness, especially psychedelic states. Chris has written three books: Lifecycles- a study of reincarnation in light of contemporary consciousness research; Dark Night, Early Dawn - a pioneering work in psychedelic philosophy and collective consciousness; and The Living Classroom, an exploration of teaching and collective fields of consciousness. His new book is LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven (2019). Website Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group. Summary and transcript of this interview. Christopher Bache in Panel Discussion on Ayahuasca and Psychedelics as Potential Catalysts for Personal and Societal Evolution Interview recorded May 11, 2019 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction and Background of the Guests 00:04:44 - The Evolutionary Strategy of Gratifying Human Desire in Plants 00:09:20 - The Intelligence of Plants 00:13:30 - Relief for Existential Distress 00:17:28 - Psychedelics and Mental Habit 00:23:34 - The Potential of Psychedelics in Treating Mental Health 00:28:54 - The Effects of Psychedelics on Consciousness and the Brain 00:33:31 - Changes in Belief and Perspective 00:37:35 - The Price of Admission to a Mysterious Other Ground 00:41:17 - Exploring the Nature of Mind 00:45:32 - The Complementarity of Science and Spirituality 00:49:50 - The Question of Consciousness and Mind Preceding Matter 00:53:47 - Evidence for Continuity of Awareness 00:58:08 - The Subtle Body and Psychedelic Experiences 01:02:56 - The Demanding Work of High Dose Psychedelic Sessions 01:07:47 - The Healing Process in Psychedelic Sessions 01:12:50 - Healing the Collective Psyche 01:17:24 - The Shift from Individual to Collective Perspective 01:22:15 - Taking Psychedelic Inquiry Seriously 01:26:34 - Boundaries of Consciousness Exploration 01:31:16 - Merging with the Mind of the Universe 01:35:59 - The Exploration of Consciousness Through Psychedelics and Meditation 01:40:26 - Connections between Psychedelic and Mystical States of Consciousness 01:44:27 - The Relationship Between Psychedelic Experiences and Behavior 01:48:42 - Publishing Michael's book in paperback 01:52:32 - The Receptive Nature of Children's Consciousness 01:56:45 - The Potential Negative Consequences of Legalizing Psychedelics 02:00:53 - The Evolutionary Dynamics of Humanity 02:05:54 - The Birth of the Diamond Soul 02:10:46 - The Crisis of Consciousness and the Future Human 02:15:05 - Closing Remarks and Appreciation

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0:00.0	The Welcome to Buddha at the gas pump. My name is Rick Archer.
0:29.6	Buddha at the gas pump is an ongoing series of interviews with spiritually awakening people.
0:34.6	I've done over 500 of them now. And if this is new to you and
0:38.5	you'd like to check out previous ones, please go to batgap.com, B-A-T-G-A-P, where you'll find
0:45.1	all the pre- and look under the past interviews menu and you'll find all the previous ones
0:48.5	organized in several different ways. This program is made possible by the support of appreciative listeners and viewers.
0:56.0	So if you appreciate it and would like to support it in any amount, there is a PayPal
1:00.9	button on every page of the site, and there's a donations page for people who don't like to deal
1:05.8	with PayPal. My guest today are Michael Pollan and Chris Bache.
1:11.6	I'll introduce Michael first.
1:13.7	Michael is the author of eight books, including How to Change Your Mind.
1:19.7	Yeah, hi, Rick.
1:20.7	Hi, Chris.
1:21.4	Good to be here.
1:22.8	He is the author of eight books, including How to Change Your Mind, which is the one we're going to be talking about today.
1:33.2	And the number of books about food, including cooked, food rules, in defensive food, the omnivore's dilemma, and the botany of desire, all of which were New York Times
1:38.8	bestsellers. Michael's a longtime contributor to the New York Times Magazine. He also teaches
1:44.0	writing at Harvard and the University of California, Berkeley, where he is the John S. and James L. Knight Professor of Science Journalism.
1:51.7	In 2010, Time Magazine named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world.
1:59.7	Chris Bache has been on that gap before in a panel of discussion about five or six years ago.
2:05.4	Good to be here.
2:06.9	Looking forward to our conversation today.
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