meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Freakonomics Radio

495. Why Are There So Many Bad Bosses?

Freakonomics Radio

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Documentary, Society & Culture

4.632K Ratings

🗓️ 3 March 2022

⏱️ 49 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

People who are good at their jobs routinely get promoted into bigger jobs they’re bad at. We explain why firms keep producing incompetent managers — and why that’s unlikely to change.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

My name's Katie Johnson and I'm a data scientist.

0:09.7

Johnson is 31 years old and lives in London.

0:12.5

She grew up near Bristol, went to university in Birmingham and since then, has held a series

0:17.3

of increasingly impressive jobs at a series of companies.

0:21.1

These were all what are known as IC jobs, IC standing for individual contributor, which

0:26.3

means what?

0:27.3

It is someone who makes, as opposed to managing people who make.

0:33.0

Johnson loved being an IC.

0:35.7

She loved analyzing data and she was really good at her job.

0:40.2

But after a while, she thought it might be nice to become a boss.

0:44.3

Yeah, I wanted to manage more and more people.

0:47.3

And you wanted to manage more people because why?

0:49.8

You were just power hungry like the rest of us?

0:52.6

I think there's a couple of reasons.

0:54.5

So the first is that I wanted to start getting more autonomy over what I was working on.

0:59.9

I would be working on stuff in my IC role and I think this isn't the most important thing.

1:04.4

And I thought that if I became the leader of the team, then I would get to pick what

1:08.8

I worked on.

1:09.8

Okay, that seems sensible.

1:11.9

The other reason was to have more impact at the companies I was working at.

1:16.6

So you could describe this as having a seat at the table.

1:20.0

Also sensible.

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.