In this episode Sal, Adam & Justin interview Jamie Wheal, Executive Director of Flow Genome Project (flowgenomeproject.com) and Co-Author of Stealing Fire (stealingfirebook.com) and dive into fascinating and controversial subjects including using psychedelics to induce flow states. Jamie is a leading expert on the neuro-physiology of human performance. His work ranges from Fortune 500 companies like Cisco, Google, and Nike, to the U.S. Naval War College and Red Bull. He combines a background in expeditionary leadership, wilderness medicine and surf rescue, with over a decade advising high-growth companies on strategy, execution and leadership. He speaks to diverse and high-performing communities such as Young Presidents’ Organization (YPO), Summit Series, and MaiTai Global on the intersection of science and high performance. At the Flow Genome Project, he leads a team of the world’s top scientists, athletes and artists dedicated to mapping the genome of the peak-performance state known as Flow. Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Got a beard? Condition your beard with Big Top Beard Company’s natural oils and organic essential oil blends to make it not only feel great but smell amazing! Get Big Top Beard Company products at bigtopbeardcompany.com, code "mindpump" for 33% off. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts!

• Does Jaime think we are just scratching the surface regarding micro dosing with top athletes/performers? / Explain difference between micro dose and regular dose of psychedelics? (1:18)
• What does science say on micro dosing, museum dosing and massive dosing? Are there studies showing the differences? (2:40)
• Mob mentality discussion (13:56)
• What are the things that have stuck with him from his experiences at Burning Man? (17:50)

• What is the hedonic calendar? How did he come up with it? (20:31)

  o How important that we have checks and balances?

• What is the newest science out regarding psychedelics? (28:48)

  o What experiences has he heard from people doing for first time?

• Did any ideas change since writing the book?

  o Any push back from community?

• Altered states of economy discussion (39:00)

  o Antidepressants

  o Porn

• Advanced learning discussion (47:56)

  o Navy Seals / Float tanks

  o A.I.

  o What does he see in the next 25 years that people will trip off on?

• What is the difference between psychedelics? (1:00:15)

  o LSD vs. Psilocybin mushrooms

  o Nootropics tribe

• How did get connected with Steven Kotler? (1:11:30)

  o How was it working with him?

  o What was their drive to write about this topic?

• What are his hopes regarding psychedelics and their legal usage?

  o Athletes using them to increase performance?

• How does Jaime communicate this topic to kids? (1:23:02)

• What is next for Steven? (1:27:07)

  o Pop-up locations

  o Recapture the Rapture (next book)