The Hello everybody I had the opportunity today to speak with Jamie Wheel who's author of

recapture the rapture and we talked about his book and his thoughts and

my thoughts and my new book as well today I have a book coming out November called

we who wrestle with God.

And Jamie and I are walking parallel paths in many ways and that's not surprising because

like every historical moment has its zeitgeist, right?

Its spirit and that speaks through many people simultaneously.

And we talked about exactly what that might mean.

Jamie concentrates, for example, in this book on what's come to be known as the meaning crisis

and associates that with the Nietzsche and death of God, which is the appropriate association,

the demolition of the higher unity that say held Western culture together and gave it its

enthusiastic impetus over the last 2,000 years. We've exhausted that in a sense and because of that people are

Hedonistic and nihilistic and

and hopeless and anxious and lost and that's not a wonderful condition now one of the consequences of such conditions

mythologically speaking is that it's at those times when something new is

born. That's why Christ is born at the darkest point of the year for

example. It's very common mythological motif and we examined today what it

is that died I would say and also what it is that's in the difficult process of being born,

and what beneficial and monstrous forms that might take,

and how that's making itself manifest in the popular and intellectual culture.

And so join us for that inquiry.

So one of the centerpieces of the argument that you make in this book,

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