480. The Psychology Behind "Nice Guys Finish Last" | Keith Campbell

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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with author, researcher, and professor of psychology at the University of Georgia, Dr. Keith Campbell. They delve deep into the weeds of narcissism, exposing the “good guy” fallacy; why alpha males attract more women; the axis of introversion, extroversion, and neuroticism as it applies to personality disorders; and the obsession with self-esteem which only fosters misery. W. Keith Campbell, Ph.D., professor of psychology at the University of Georgia, is the author of more than 200 scientific papers and several books, including “The New Science of Narcissism” and “Professor OCEAN: A small tale of personality’s Big Five.” His work on personality has appeared across print media and he has made numerous media appearances, from the “Today Show” to the “Joe Rogan Experience.” He wrote the popular TED-Ed lesson on narcissism and writes a Substack called “Explorations in Personality.” He holds a BA from the University of California at Berkeley, a Ph.D. from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and did his postdoctoral work at Case Western Reserve University. He lives in Athens, Georgia, with his wife and daughters. This episode was recorded on September 4th, 2024 - Links - For Keith Campbell: On X https://x.com/wkeithcampbell?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Website https://www.wkeithcampbell.com/?_sm_nck=1 Substack https://substack.com/@wkeithcampbell

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0:00.0	The Hello everybody so I had the privilege today of speaking with Dr. Keith Campbell
0:19.9	who is professor of psychology at the University of Georgia.
0:23.6	Keith is a social psychologist, so he's interested in the relationship between
0:29.2	the social networks and the social behavior of people and their own individual being.
0:34.8	He works at the nexus of social psychology, personality psychology, which is more centered
0:40.3	on the individual person, and psychopathology, which is the study of pathological, abnormal,
0:46.2	or otherwise counterproductive and painful behavior.
0:49.6	His research focuses more specifically even on narcissism and narcissism is part of a broader
0:59.8	cluster of personality pathologies that are counterproductive with regards to someone's success
1:09.1	over long spans of time and in social circumstances. So if you're self-centered and you're
1:16.2	narcissistic and it's all about you, the problem with that is that that's a good
1:21.2	pathway to misery for you over any reasonable amount of time,
1:24.7	although you may have some small punctuated victories, and it's also extremely hard
1:29.3	on the stability of your social relationships because the only people who want to be around a manipulative narcissist for any length of time are, you know, disenchanted and demoralized masochists. And that's not the basis for a productive and meaningful
1:46.7	relationship. And so that narrow self-centeredness that's also hedonistic, whim focus, requires immediate gratification of needs and wants.
1:57.9	It's a very counterproductive way of conducting yourself over any reasonable span of time.
2:03.4	And while I was interested in talking to Dr. Campbell,
2:06.8	partly because I've talked to some of his compatriots who've been working on narcissism,
2:10.8	but I'm also interested in the issue more broadly because I think that
2:16.9	we're we've seen something of an epidemic of dark personality trait narcissism because of the explosion of social media
2:25.2	which enables anonymity so it enables people to get away with things that grab attention in the short run but that are
2:35.4	socially counterproductive and counterproductive in relationship to the future.
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