474: [Formed.] It's Just LAZY Christianity. Ian Simkins on The Fingerprints of a Disordered Life, Developing Discernment as You Train for Godliness, Why the Crucible of Formation is in the Monotony of Everyday Life, and Restoring the Fire of Discipleshi
Win Today: Your Roadmap to Wholeness
Christopher Cook
4.9 • 528 Ratings
🗓️ 21 January 2026
⏱️ 84 minutes
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Summary
Spiritual drift rarely announces itself. It doesn't show up as rebellion or collapse. It shows up as subtle disorder, numbed discernment, and a slow loss of fire in the ordinary rhythms of life. Most people don't abandon discipleship; they simply stop training for it. This week on Win Today, Ian Simkins, lead pastor of The Bridge Church in Tennessee, joins me as part of our Formed discipleship series to expose the quiet ways formation breaks down and to recover the daily practices that restore spiritual clarity, hunger, and endurance. We talk about why the wilderness of everyday life—not the mountaintop—is where God does His deepest work, and how discernment must be trained intentionally if we're going to mature in godliness. If your faith feels cluttered, distracted, or quietly cooling, this conversation will help you recognize the fingerprints of disorder and reclaim the fire of discipleship to Jesus, right where you are.
Guest Bio
Ian Simkins is the lead pastor of The Bridge Church in Tennessee and a longtime pastor and teacher focused on spiritual formation, discernment, and everyday discipleship. Known for practical, Scripture-rooted teaching, he equips believers to develop resilient faith through disciplined rhythms, community, and faithful obedience to Jesus.
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| 0:00.0 | The Art of Leadership Network. |
| 0:03.2 | This week on Win Today. |
| 0:05.0 | Most of us live such disordered lives that discipline feels like legalism. |
| 0:09.9 | I don't always think that peace is a prerequisite for action. |
| 0:14.6 | If the whole point, Chris, was just that we go to heaven when we die, |
| 0:19.4 | why wouldn't we just go there at the moment of salvation? |
| 0:21.9 | If that was the point, why would we even be here if we weren't also supposed to do something with it? |
| 0:28.9 | Hey friends, welcome to the podcast. I'm so glad you've joined me this week as we continue formed. |
| 0:34.1 | If we took the gloves off in our conversation with Christine DeMarco and Dr. Eric Mason and |
| 0:39.4 | Dr. Joel Tudman, they're staying off today. Here's why. Spiritual drift doesn't usually happen |
| 0:45.2 | in a moment of crisis. Rather, it happens quietly in the monotony of everyday life when discernment |
| 0:52.0 | doles and when disorder goes unnoticed. Well, today, |
| 0:55.8 | one of my closest friends, Ian Simpkins, joins me to expose the fingerprints of a disordered life. |
| 1:02.9 | We're going to show you why discernment has to be trained if we're going to mature in godliness. |
| 1:08.4 | The theme of this whole series, as you know by now, is 1 Timothy 4.7, where Paul says to |
| 1:13.7 | Timothy, train yourself for godliness. That's the target. So we're going to explain why the |
| 1:20.1 | crucible of true spiritual formation is found not in extraordinary moments, but in ordinary, |
| 1:26.0 | regular faithfulness and obedience to the Lord. |
| 1:29.8 | We're going to talk about how discipleship and the movement of discipleship loses its fire over |
| 1:35.2 | time, how everyday rhythms either form or deform us, and how to restore a living, resilient |
| 1:41.8 | devotion to Jesus in the middle of real life. If your faith feels |
| 1:46.2 | distracted, cluttered, or quietly drifting, my friend, I believe this conversation is going to call |
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