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🗓️ 20 October 2025
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On today's podcast, we will be practicing the Disarming Technique and illustrate the Law of Opposites, using real examples with lots of potential for learning. We feature our good friend and esteemed colleague, Brandon Vance, MD, who is an advanced TEAM therapist.
Starting on November 5, Brandon will be offering a 6-week course on a Deep Dive Five Secrets Practice Group, meeting weekly from 12 to1:30, until December 10th. This course is strongly recommended for anyone who wants to learn and master the Five Secrets of Effective Communication. To learn more, you can
Our goals for today's podcast will be to illustrate how to disarm, with role play examples, of any number of very challenging examples. Once we have done role reversals and developed a good or excellent response to the criticism, we will try to point out two things important for teaching the Disarming Technique.
We will illustrate some strategies for how to disarm seemingly "impossibly wrong and unfair" criticisms.
We started with a classic example. Let's say a loved one angrily insists, "You never listen."
Then we focused on a challenging clinical example, a patient who insists that "You're to worst shrink I've EVER had! Where did you do your psychiatric training? At a veterinarian school?"
The exercise is fairly simple in structure, but quite challenging when you try it out in an actual role play exercise with a friend or colleague.
Step 1: Your colleague or friends hits you with one of the following criticisms listed below.
Step 2: You respond as effectively as you can, using the Disarming Technique and the rest of the Five Secrets of Effective Communication as needed.
Step 3. Your colleague gives you a letter grade along with what you did that was effective, and where you missed the boat.
Step 4. Do a role reversal and repeat the above steps. Continue with this process until you get an A in your response to the criticism.
I don't have a full list of strategies for agreeing with impossible criticisms, but here are two:
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Example: Your patient says, "This is the second week in a row that you've been late to our sessions."
Ineffective, literal response: "Yes, that's true. I've been delayed by emergency situations both today and last week." Explanation: This is harsh and literal, and misses the point entirely. This patient is trying to tell you that they feel ignored and uncared about, and this may in fact be a central dynamic in their life.
Somewhat more effective response: "Yes, I share your concern, especially since I have high regard for you and hate having to be late. I'm really worried it will come across as uncaring and irresponsible. In fact, I had unexpected emergencies with suicidal patients both days, and will certainly make up the missed time for you, and not even charge you for today's session. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if you feel hurt and even a bit angry with me, and for good reason. Can you tell me how you are feeing?"
This type of response gives you the chance to turn your lemons into lemonade!
What is this patient trying to tell you? They are telling you, symbolically, something like this: "During our session yesterday, you were not trustworthy. I was anxious and still am!"
So, you might respond like this: "Jim, I am embarrassed to admit that I agree with you completely, and also feel bad about it. During our session yesterday, I did a lousy job of supporting you, and we just didn't connect, which was my bad. I felt like an enemy, and not your ally, so I get what you're saying. This is important because I care a great deal for you. Can you tell me what it was like for you yesterday?"
With this type of kindly, disarming, and non-threatening response, most patients will open up right away.
This list of errors is not comprehensive. It's just a started kit to point you, hopefully, in the right direction. You will get many of the fine points by listening to the live podcast.
You might enjoy reviewing the following list of difficult / impossible criticisms you might hear from patients or friends of family members. It can be really helpful to see if you can find a way to agree with these criticisms that's genuine and effective.
Rhonda says: Just to be clear, the following challenges from unhappy kids were not directed at me!
Here are some more from patients in various setting.
More personal / family examples
Thanks for listening today!
Brandon, Rhonda, and David
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| 1:47.2 | Brandon is a team psychiatrist. He's a therapist, a trainer, and a teacher. He studied with David Burns for many years. |
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