#472 — Strange Days on the Right
Making Sense with Sam Harris
Waking Up with Sam Harris
4.6 • 29.7K Ratings
🗓️ 24 April 2026
⏱️ 16 minutes
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Sam Harris speaks with Ben Shapiro about their pre-election debate and the fractures on the right. They discuss Trump's second term surprises, familial corruption, tariff policy, the ideological world of Tucker Carlson, the spread of conspiracism on the right, antisemitism as the ur-conspiracy theory, JD Vance's political calculations, the future of Israel and the Palestinian question, and other topics.
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| 0:24.9 | I am here with Ben Shapiro. |
| 0:26.7 | Ben, thanks for joining me on the podcast. |
| 0:29.0 | Good to see you. How are you doing? |
| 0:30.4 | I'm good. How are you doing? It's getting crazy out there. |
| 0:32.8 | I've noticed from afar that your life has gotten more interesting in the last 12 months or so. |
| 0:39.1 | Yeah, you know, the old Chinese curse may be living in interesting times is definitely |
| 0:43.2 | applying itself. So that's been fun. |
| 0:45.5 | You appear to be Chinese at the moment. Well, I want to talk about the cleavages in the Republican |
| 0:50.5 | Party and in the mega cult as I think of it. But before we get there, let's, I mean, because it is extreme in a way that I think |
| 1:00.0 | none of us would anticipate, I think many of the Republicans are, Republicans seem to be divided |
| 1:06.0 | between those who are Nazi sympathizers and those who think all things considered Nazis are probably |
| 1:11.1 | still bad. But the level of confusion about that is fairly astounding to me. So I want to get |
| 1:18.1 | your post-mortem on that. But you and I last spoke a little over a year ago, I guess a year |
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