Marshall here. Welcome back to the realignment.

My guest today is Nick Toronto. He is the executive director of United America, a group that works to philanthropically support

nonpartisan election reform initiatives.

He has a new book out.

It's called The Primary Solution, rescuing our democracy from the fringes. This debate

over the causes of America's political dysfunction is one of the favorite ones that I

encounter on the podcast. Nick is obviously advancing the idea that our primary system

and the empowerment of the fringes of the left and the right are one of the primary means beyond

our country's inability to form a consensus on the biggest

moving forward.

There's a bunch of complicating factors

that Nick and I get in during this conversation,

but I think at a minimum level,

he does a great job with getting the audience

and ideally his readership to understand that oftentimes

politicians might not actually just be corrupt, they don't actually just be bad faith,

they may actually just be responding to the incentives promoted by the system as it works today.

So examining the ways that we could or could not change that system to promote different outcomes

are very, very interesting possibilities.

Hope you all enjoy this conversation and a huge thank you to the Foundation for

American Innovation for supporting the work of this podcast.

Nick Trino, welcome to the realignment.

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