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Brett McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness Podcast.

Earlier this year, I did a show about the benefits of meditation.

It's episode number 439 for those who want to check it out.

Shortly after that interview, I came across a book called The Buddha Pill,

which takes a critical look at the research on meditation and exposes some of the weaknesses of the hype that currently surrounds it.

As someone who loves to look at both sides of an issue, I was certainly intrigued.

And today, on the show, I talk to one of the co-authors of the Buddha Pill.

I began my conversation with Miguel Ferrius, a psychologist and therapist trained at Oxford University,

by discussing how the current mindfulness craze were experiencing in the 21st century isn't entirely new,

but is similar to a trend which emerged in the 1960s and 1970s around the practice of transcendental meditation.

Miguel explains how meditation research began with transcendental meditation, the limits of that research,

and why transcendental meditation has now been eclipsed by mindfulness meditation.

In the second half of the show, Miguel shares some problems with the Western approach to mindfulness meditation,

including detaching it from a spiritual framework, making it a self-centered affair,

and using it to take a more passive stance to life.

We also explore the often overlooked downsides of meditation, including the fact that it can sometimes have the very opposite of the calming,

centering effect people are seeking.

We in our conversation discussing whether meditation is truly effective in reducing stress, anxiety, and depression,

Miguel's conclusion on whether people should practice it, and if you should ultimately feel guilty if you decide not to.

Really fascinating show, efforts over check out the show notes at a-m.is slash Buddha Pill.

Miguel Ferrius, welcome to the show.

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